+1 for integrating templates. "Article" is like a blog post man while "Encyclopedia" integrates a table on the right to describe an object or something. Their objective are different. But if we decide to keep only one of them, I would be OK (Encyclopedia being my favorite).
2016-07-12 13:55 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>: > > > On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:48, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Ideally we should make the templates independent and have a dedicated > >> section in e.x.o. > >> Users could browse and install them separate. > >> > >> We should also monitor what templates are interesting and which are not > >> (although this is a bit hard to do right now). > >> > >> Of course I also consider we could have better templates or diverse, but > >> this is not the point now. > >> The point is to add some templates and better show this feature. Since > we > >> are very generic it's hard to tell what templates each category of users > >> would need. That's why it would be better for them to select them, but > they > >> should be aware that they have this possibility. > >> > >> So currently the vote is favorable. I'm waiting until tomorrow so see > if we > >> have any blockers. > >> > >> Still not sure about how we should implement them best: in platform or > in > >> e.x.o? As a package or separate? > >> > > > > My preference goes towards a templates package, for start, in contrib, > that > > is included in the default flavor. > > I think I agree. We need to close the last discussion thread about the > scope for the xwiki github org and about platform. Right now the consensus > seems to be: > * the default platform distribution’s goal is to provide a basic working > wiki > * XE’s goal (and in the future another named flavor) is to provide a > full-fledged second generation wiki. > * Non core features go in contrib and generic ones are included in the XE > flavor > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Caty > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> +1, generally. > >>> > >>> I also feel a bit frustrated by the seeming redundancy of having both > >>> Article and Encyclopedia on one side and Meeting Report and Simple page > >>> onthe other, since from a helicopter view they are 95% identical. > >> However, > >>> I believe that the whole point of templates is to have a very > specialized > >>> usecase that is answered and that the user can immediately use. If > every > >>> time someone wants a simple page, but selects meeting notes and > removes a > >>> lot of formatting, then they will just end up creating a simple page > >>> template. > >>> > >>> These are just a couple of usages that we consider to be very common > and > >>> which we decide to offer some help by default (in the default flavor). > >>> Others could be added (even from Caty`s extended list), since we`re > >> missing > >>> tables, macros and many other useful XWiki features that are otherwise > >> hard > >>> to discover. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Eduard > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> + 1 for all > >>>> The difference between Article and Encyclopedia could be increased by > >>>> adding other specific elements on each one's layout. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Alex > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> In case we don't like a particular Template, then the best strategy > >> is > >>> to > >>>>> have individual votes for them. > >>>>> > >>>>> @Anca, from your feedback is hard to know if you prefer Article over > >>>>> Encyclopedia. > >>>>> > >>>>> Since we need to release 8.2 final at the end of the week I would > >> like > >>> to > >>>>> advance with this topic: either by committing all the proposed > >>> templates > >>>> or > >>>>> just a subset, but I need more opinions. > >>>>> > >>>>> Status: > >>>>> 1. Article (Article page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty > >>>>> 2. Encyclopedia (Encyclopedia page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty > >>>>> 3. Meeting Report (Agenda and notes): 1+ Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca > >>>>> 4. Simple Page (With table of content): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Caty > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Anca Luca <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Anca Luca <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello Caty, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> By default there are not many page templates an user could > >> see. > >>>>>>>>> In order for users to understand the power and purpose of > >>> XWiki, > >>>> it > >>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>> be helpful to add more content templates by default. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Content Templates are templates that don't belong to a > >>> particular > >>>>>>>>> application, but provides an initial content structure. The > >>>>> templates > >>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>> be suggested in the creation step. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here are some templates we could add by default: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal > >>>>>>>>> 1. Article > >>>>>>>>> 2. Encyclopedia > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think these two are the same one, they should be collapsed > >> into > >>>>> only > >>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>> template. I don't really understand the differences between > >> these > >>>>> two. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The differences are in layout. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In my opinion this is not enough to have both of them. For me, the > >>> goal > >>>>> of > >>>>>> the templates by default is to help discover the template feature > >> and > >>>> its > >>>>>> benefits to users, and the way to do that would be to show > >>> interesting > >>>>>> usecases of the template feature. Having two templates for the same > >>>>> usecase > >>>>>> but with different layout is not aligned with this goal, but would > >> be > >>>>> more > >>>>>> aligned with the goal of showing that we can do different fancy > >>>> layouts. > >>>>> In > >>>>>> addition, this logic would allow to have multiple templates for the > >>>> other > >>>>>> usecases as well, with different layout, which would not be a good > >>> idea > >>>>>> (e.g. another meeting report, with a different layout) because > >> would > >>>>> bloat > >>>>>> the list... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Anyone else? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Anca > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 3. Meeting > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Should be called Meeting Report (or meeting notes), so that the > >>>>>>> difference > >>>>>>>> with the meeting extension is more obvious. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I will use "Meeting Report" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 4. Simple Page > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Should have the word Table of Contents in the name, so that its > >>>>> purpose > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> obvious from the start (otherwise "simple page" and the default > >>>>> "blank > >>>>>>>> page" are not very easy to differentiate ). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The difference is viewed in the Description, see > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHome/descriptions.png > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> Caty > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Another template could be added, "Index page", with a simple > >>>>> livetable > >>>>>>>> listing all the children (and descendants) pages of the current > >>>> page. > >>>>>>> It's > >>>>>>>> handy when creating the root page of a subtree on the wiki > >> (would > >>>>> have > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> same purpose as "Dashboard", to be a scripted homepage from > >> where > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> subtree of that page can be accessed). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> Anca > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You can test them on > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/ > >>>>>> (use > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> Create button) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Please vote if you agree these templates should be added by > >>>> default > >>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>> otherwise let me know your feedback. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>> Caty > >>>>>>>>> _________ > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
