FTR I’ve updated several French translations, see the LT on

I’m trying to update the home page translation but there’s a technical problem 
(not possible to change the title from l10n ATM).


> On 17 Oct 2016, at 10:30, Vincent Massol <> wrote:
> Hi devs,
> Over the weekend I asked my brother in law (who doesn’t anything about XWiki) 
> to test it and give me some feedback. He did this test with me next to him so 
> I could observe and ask him what was going through his head.
> I’m sending below a summary of the session. We now need to address each point 
> and see what we want to do to improve the situation.
> The Setup
> ========
> * HSQLDB/Jetty already setup with an Admin user already logged in.
> * I had made the Admin user a simple user.
> * I later realized that I had forgotten to remove my local cookie on my 
> computer and he didn’t have the Tour. Thus I don’t know if he’d have read it 
> till the end of not.
> * I asked him 2 things only:
> ** Create some new pages
> ** Modify the home page
> The Feedback
> ===========
> * First thing he wanted to do was to switch the UI to French (he’s French). 
> He looked for his user profile, found it, and couldn’t find a way to change 
> the language. Fail. I had to tell give him the hint that language was a 
> global wiki-level setting and I had to do it for him. Other feedback: The 
> French translation for the language settings is really not user-friendly and 
> needs to be changed, it’s currently “Localisation”, which is too technical.
> * Then he said he spotted a bug. The home page had a title of “Home” in 
> French instead of “Accueil”.
> * He looked around in the UI and at some point he clicked on Page 
> Administration on the home page. This opened a UI with a title of 
> "Administration : Main”. He asked: “what is Main?”. Indeed he was on the home 
> page that was entitled “Home” and suddenly he was shown “Main” which 1/ was 
> in English and 2/ didn’t mean anything to him.
> * Then he went on to create a new page and initially was looking for that in 
> the drawer in the Wiki Administration UI… At some point, I had to tell him to 
> stop and I created a simple user for him (that is not Admin so that he 
> couldn’t do in the wiki administration - I should have started with this 
> probably although we need to fix our issue that first time users are admins). 
> Once this was done he was able to quickly find the “+” to create a new page.
> * However, he wanted to create a structure with a “Domain” folder and some 
> pages inside that folder. He saw the Tree in the Navigation Panel and saw 
> that it was hierarchical and thus he wanted to do the same and create that 
> “Domain” folder first. So he cancelled the Create Page UI since this was 
> about creating a page and he wanted a folder. He then found the “Children 
> Pages” entry in the “More” menu. Note that in French it’s badly labelled as 
> “Enfant de XXX” which was weird to him (FTR it’s also invalid grammatically, 
> missing an “s” for plural) but he understood it was related to children page 
> he suggested “Sous-pages” as a better translation). So he clicked on it and 
> he saw a form displayed (actually it was the filter of the LT UI). And he 
> started typing “Domain” in the text input but nothing happened and he was 
> puzzled.
> —> When you look at the children LT for a page not having children, you’ll 
> see that we should improve the UI. It doesn’t even say that’s it’s empty and 
> that there are no children pages…
> * At this point he was a bit stuck and couldn’t understand how to create a 
> folder. I had to tell him that in XWiki you could created hierarchical pages 
> and that there’s no notion of folders (I didn’t want to explain the concept 
> of Spaces especially since he hide this in the UI). He mentioned that after 
> 20 years of Microsoft practice, everyone understands the concept of folders 
> and files and that it’s hard to understand that we only have hierarchical 
> pages. He suggest that we may want to have 2 “+” buttons next to each other 
> (like “+” and “++” or some other visual with a tooltip of “Créer page” and 
> “Créer sous-page"). One to create sibling pages and another one to create 
> children pages). In his head, the default when you create a page is to create 
> a sibling page, not a sub-page. 
> * After this he was able to create his pages (note that he used immediately 
> the templates we provided for his test and selected the Encyclopedia 
> template).
> * He noted that the icon for Rename/Move/Delete was weird and he didn’t 
> understand the relationship between the actions and the icon which is the one 
> for settings (the cog). He suggested to use something different like a rubber 
> (which incidentally I see that it’s missing from 
> and we need to 
> add it). FYI he was no longer Admin at this point so the “Page 
> Administration” entry wasn’t visible.
> * When he edited his first page, he quickly told me that that the “Save” 
> buttons are way too hidden (they’re usually not even visible when you edit if 
> you don’t scroll down). He was expecting them to see them at the top, close 
> to the page menus. He suggested that we should have a horizontal bar that 
> stays always visible when you scroll down and that contains the save buttons.
> * At this point he created a hierarchy of pages and then wanted to move some 
> page around to test this feature. However he could find the menu entry to do 
> so. He could easily find the move, copy and delete entries but that’s not 
> what he was looking for. The reason is that the French translation is 
> “Renommer”. On English I see that we’ve now renamed it to 
> " / Rename”. But the French translation is still 
> “Renommer”. When I suggested to have “Renommer / Déplacer” to him he said 
> that he’d simply call it “Déplacer” since for renaming a page he doesn’t need 
> to go to that screen and he can simply edit the page and change the title. He 
> said it’s fine to leave the ability to change the title on the Move UI but 
> that it was just a nice bonus and not the main goal of this screen in his 
> opinion.
> * On the Rename UI screen, he started by clicking in the source breadcrumb, 
> and he was surprised that the browser navigated away. Later on he realized 
> that the was a target section. At this point he commented that he expected to 
> see the target first since that’s what he wanted to change. He also suggested 
> that if would be simpler to use if the target breadcrumb was replaced by a 
> Tree to choose the new location.
> * When he tried to modify the home page he did it very easily and was able to 
> put his own content. When I told him that some user find it difficult to 
> understand that they could modify the home page he said that it’s not the 
> first thing he’d have done.
> * On the positive side, the navigation panel was really nice for him. He kept 
> using it all the time to navigate. Thus navigation wasn’t an issue for him.
> That’s it. Hope we can use this to improve basic user experience. The biggest 
> item by far is to make users understand that there’s no folder and that 
> there’s only hierarchical pages. I think I like his idea of the 2 add buttons 
> (create sibling page and create children page), or something similar (I guess 
> the Create UI itself could have a different UI to ask the user clearly if 
> he/she wants to create a sibling or a children page).
> Thanks
> -Vincent

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