FTR I’ve updated several French translations, see the LT on http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/L10N/
I’m trying to update the home page translation but there’s a technical problem (not possible to change the title from l10n ATM). Thanks -Vincent > On 17 Oct 2016, at 10:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi devs, > > Over the weekend I asked my brother in law (who doesn’t anything about XWiki) > to test it and give me some feedback. He did this test with me next to him so > I could observe and ask him what was going through his head. > > I’m sending below a summary of the session. We now need to address each point > and see what we want to do to improve the situation. > > The Setup > ======== > > * HSQLDB/Jetty already setup with an Admin user already logged in. > * I had made the Admin user a simple user. > * I later realized that I had forgotten to remove my local cookie on my > computer and he didn’t have the Tour. Thus I don’t know if he’d have read it > till the end of not. > * I asked him 2 things only: > ** Create some new pages > ** Modify the home page > > The Feedback > =========== > > * First thing he wanted to do was to switch the UI to French (he’s French). > He looked for his user profile, found it, and couldn’t find a way to change > the language. Fail. I had to tell give him the hint that language was a > global wiki-level setting and I had to do it for him. Other feedback: The > French translation for the language settings is really not user-friendly and > needs to be changed, it’s currently “Localisation”, which is too technical. > > * Then he said he spotted a bug. The home page had a title of “Home” in > French instead of “Accueil”. > > * He looked around in the UI and at some point he clicked on Page > Administration on the home page. This opened a UI with a title of > "Administration : Main”. He asked: “what is Main?”. Indeed he was on the home > page that was entitled “Home” and suddenly he was shown “Main” which 1/ was > in English and 2/ didn’t mean anything to him. > > * Then he went on to create a new page and initially was looking for that in > the drawer in the Wiki Administration UI… At some point, I had to tell him to > stop and I created a simple user for him (that is not Admin so that he > couldn’t do in the wiki administration - I should have started with this > probably although we need to fix our issue that first time users are admins). > Once this was done he was able to quickly find the “+” to create a new page. > > * However, he wanted to create a structure with a “Domain” folder and some > pages inside that folder. He saw the Tree in the Navigation Panel and saw > that it was hierarchical and thus he wanted to do the same and create that > “Domain” folder first. So he cancelled the Create Page UI since this was > about creating a page and he wanted a folder. He then found the “Children > Pages” entry in the “More” menu. Note that in French it’s badly labelled as > “Enfant de XXX” which was weird to him (FTR it’s also invalid grammatically, > missing an “s” for plural) but he understood it was related to children page > he suggested “Sous-pages” as a better translation). So he clicked on it and > he saw a form displayed (actually it was the filter of the LT UI). And he > started typing “Domain” in the text input but nothing happened and he was > puzzled. > > —> When you look at the children LT for a page not having children, you’ll > see that we should improve the UI. It doesn’t even say that’s it’s empty and > that there are no children pages… > > * At this point he was a bit stuck and couldn’t understand how to create a > folder. I had to tell him that in XWiki you could created hierarchical pages > and that there’s no notion of folders (I didn’t want to explain the concept > of Spaces especially since he hide this in the UI). He mentioned that after > 20 years of Microsoft practice, everyone understands the concept of folders > and files and that it’s hard to understand that we only have hierarchical > pages. He suggest that we may want to have 2 “+” buttons next to each other > (like “+” and “++” or some other visual with a tooltip of “Créer page” and > “Créer sous-page"). One to create sibling pages and another one to create > children pages). In his head, the default when you create a page is to create > a sibling page, not a sub-page. > > * After this he was able to create his pages (note that he used immediately > the templates we provided for his test and selected the Encyclopedia > template). > > * He noted that the icon for Rename/Move/Delete was weird and he didn’t > understand the relationship between the actions and the icon which is the one > for settings (the cog). He suggested to use something different like a rubber > (which incidentally I see that it’s missing from > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWiki+Icon+Set and we need to > add it). FYI he was no longer Admin at this point so the “Page > Administration” entry wasn’t visible. > > * When he edited his first page, he quickly told me that that the “Save” > buttons are way too hidden (they’re usually not even visible when you edit if > you don’t scroll down). He was expecting them to see them at the top, close > to the page menus. He suggested that we should have a horizontal bar that > stays always visible when you scroll down and that contains the save buttons. > > * At this point he created a hierarchy of pages and then wanted to move some > page around to test this feature. However he could find the menu entry to do > so. He could easily find the move, copy and delete entries but that’s not > what he was looking for. The reason is that the French translation is > “Renommer”. On English I see that we’ve now renamed it to > "core.menu.rename=Move / Rename”. But the French translation is still > “Renommer”. When I suggested to have “Renommer / Déplacer” to him he said > that he’d simply call it “Déplacer” since for renaming a page he doesn’t need > to go to that screen and he can simply edit the page and change the title. He > said it’s fine to leave the ability to change the title on the Move UI but > that it was just a nice bonus and not the main goal of this screen in his > opinion. > > * On the Rename UI screen, he started by clicking in the source breadcrumb, > and he was surprised that the browser navigated away. Later on he realized > that the was a target section. At this point he commented that he expected to > see the target first since that’s what he wanted to change. He also suggested > that if would be simpler to use if the target breadcrumb was replaced by a > Tree to choose the new location. > > * When he tried to modify the home page he did it very easily and was able to > put his own content. When I told him that some user find it difficult to > understand that they could modify the home page he said that it’s not the > first thing he’d have done. > > * On the positive side, the navigation panel was really nice for him. He kept > using it all the time to navigate. Thus navigation wasn’t an issue for him. > > That’s it. Hope we can use this to improve basic user experience. The biggest > item by far is to make users understand that there’s no folder and that > there’s only hierarchical pages. I think I like his idea of the 2 add buttons > (create sibling page and create children page), or something similar (I guess > the Create UI itself could have a different UI to ask the user clearly if > he/she wants to create a sibling or a children page). > > Thanks > -Vincent > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
