On Thursday, 19 October 2017 at 21:18:43 UTC, Rion wrote:
But this is my last response on this. Moving on to a different
language because from my point of view, D will not be very open
/ marketing focused to non C++ developers. And some people seem
very willing to push people there buttons when topics like this
come up. As we see in this topic. I regret that the actions of
few constantly ruin the work of others ( to bring people in ).
What seems to be a recurring theme.
Can I suggest, that you adjust your sails too ;-)
The only constant, is that people are always inclined to submit
new ideas (especially true for newbies), good or bad, that sit in
queues waiting for approval...and eventually lose their
motivation and go elsewhere....
Sadly, this is the curse of volunteer based open source
development.
That's why newbies (and not so newbies), coming in with new
ideas, often get demotivated. It does *not* ever mean the idea is
not good, or that people would not like to see it come about. It
is usually because volunteers simply are *already* very focused
on higher priorities that *already* exist, and almost certainly,
there are *already* too many of those. Each new idea, or
enhancement request, just adds to the existing list...making it
grower longer and longer...and guess how people start to feel
when that happens...and I don't just mean the people adding to
that list, but the people working on that list. So think of them
too.
That's why I really feel that newbies need to learn *first*, how
to adjust their sails to the wind. That is the first lesson.
The wind does it's own thing...you need adjust to it, not it to
you.
Have you looked at this lately? https://dlang.org/bugstats.html
Look at the number of open enhancement requests. Then look at the
number of critical and major requests - priority matters!
So picking your battles, is really more about adjusting your
focus to the stuff that needs to get done first. If you have a
new idea, there's a good chance it won't get done unless you do
it. And I've explained the reasons for that, already.
I'm sure everyone likes the idea of making D more welcoming to
new users...especially those that expect an all encompassing
solution, delivered to them on a silver platter. But current
volunteers are just not focused on that..they are focused on
something else. What is needed, is new volunteers, who *can*
focus on just that - rather than telling others to focus on that.
So I say, don't submit a request...go do it. Then tell others
about it. If your work has merit, and is important and useful to
enough people, at the time, then it will be recognised. If not,
tough.
Just look at all the stuff that 'volunteers' have done, are
doing, and are still yet to get around to doing. It's pretty
amazing! Nobody should be undermining their motivations, or
suggest they aren't welcoming of new ideas.
Have a listen to Walter (a compiler programmer), explaining (just
some of) the challenges of trying to run an open source project:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGcKojMF5ps
Does any one of us really think, that we can do it better ??
Motivation is really important in life. I get it. Motivation is
key for me too.
But if your sails are not adjusted to the wind, then you're not
going to get very far.
btw... before turning away from D, remember, that "Once a new
technology starts rolling, if you're not part of the steamroller,
..[you might end up being].. part of the road."
;-)
