On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:17 am, Karl Bowden wrote:
> After a quick e-mail to Denis, I have decided to start a project to give
> DirectFB a Complete Application Framework Environment. How about cafe for
> short? I want ANY suggestions or thoughts from to dev team before I
> start.

Good idea... so I take it you have done some extensive testing of the 
multi-process stuff (I keep meaning to but never get around to it).  I know 
all the code is there, but I was under the impression it needed more testing 
still.

>
> So far from talking with a few other developers in Australia, I have got
> this list:

Which part of Australia (I am in Brisbane BTW)

> First: KEEP IT EMBEDABLE (not bloatware)
> and:   KEEP IT INTERGRATED

And being from Trolltech I can't help but think I should promote Qtopia as 
fulfilling both of these.  Pity for Trolltech they are not your only goals 
:).  I will try to stay on topic form here on in...

> Application Framework - An intergrated Desktop, Window, and GUI toolkit,
> with modular library support to allow easy addition of custom widgets
> (and a policy to intergreat usefull custom widgets back into the
> project)

Any plugin architecture should handle this.  I just don't want to see this go 
the way of X with everything being in 'extensions'.  I am just saying be 
careful what you say isn't core.

> Display Setup Program

This (or at least Display setup) should be probably written directly to the 
DirectFB API, and to a console mode.  In fact it would probably be useful 
regardless.  Although currently all I can think of that needs setting are
what goes in fb-modes.

> SDL and OpenGL libraries for Game developement

I would focus on this, it would be one of the really big advantages and not 
just for game development.  Transcode I think might at least touch on some 
useful ideas as well, but don't ask me any details. 

> java, Gnome, KDE, Motif, BeOS, X, and TK widget wrappers

Let me know if you start work on a Qt port.  I haven't yet had time to do it 
myself but I have looked at doing it once or twice.  I saw the word wrappers 
and not port up above, so I know this may not be what you meant.

> I will do that as soon as some one comes up with a good name for the
> project.

Um, can't think of anything yet.. but it sounds as if DFB Cafe should be a 
good working name for now.

> Personally I would hate to see DirectFB just become another way to run
> X11 apps, and would hate to see any disunity on the DirectFB platform
> like between GNOME and KDE. Although I would hope to intergrate most of
> the GNOME and KDE functions and widgets into DirectFB.

Rather than integrating the widgets, you might want to see what are the best 
features, (such as DCop and parts from KDE, I am sure Gnome has something 
worthwhile).   After all if it proves so useful in a window-manager, (and can 
without bias be put into DirectFB) it probably is worth integration.

>
> Regards, (and avidly waiting to here responses)
> Karl Bowden

Yeah, I know my reply hasn't had that much actual information.  But I would 
like to see this succeed, so I suggest working out a 'what is needed first'. 
and get to something that could be handled by a handful of people in a few 
months.  This would help get it off the ground.

Good luck.

--
Ian.

...
Usual disclaimer about the views above being mine (Ian Walters) and not 
necessarily Trolltechs.  


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