Just warning everyone to forgive any bad wording in my mail  A couple of times 
I talked about DirectFB and DFB Cafe as if they were the same thing.  

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 1:56 pm, Ian Walters wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:17 am, Karl Bowden wrote:
> > After a quick e-mail to Denis, I have decided to start a project to give
> > DirectFB a Complete Application Framework Environment. How about cafe for
> > short? I want ANY suggestions or thoughts from to dev team before I
> > start.
>
> Good idea... so I take it you have done some extensive testing of the
> multi-process stuff (I keep meaning to but never get around to it).  I know
> all the code is there, but I was under the impression it needed more
> testing still.
>
> > So far from talking with a few other developers in Australia, I have got
> > this list:
>
> Which part of Australia (I am in Brisbane BTW)
>
> > First: KEEP IT EMBEDABLE (not bloatware)
> > and:   KEEP IT INTERGRATED
>
> And being from Trolltech I can't help but think I should promote Qtopia as
> fulfilling both of these.  Pity for Trolltech they are not your only goals
>
> :).  I will try to stay on topic form here on in...
> :
> > Application Framework - An intergrated Desktop, Window, and GUI toolkit,
> > with modular library support to allow easy addition of custom widgets
> > (and a policy to intergreat usefull custom widgets back into the
> > project)
>
> Any plugin architecture should handle this.  I just don't want to see this
> go the way of X with everything being in 'extensions'.  I am just saying be
> careful what you say isn't core.
>
> > Display Setup Program
>
> This (or at least Display setup) should be probably written directly to the
> DirectFB API, and to a console mode.  In fact it would probably be useful
> regardless.  Although currently all I can think of that needs setting are
> what goes in fb-modes.
>
> > SDL and OpenGL libraries for Game developement
>
> I would focus on this, it would be one of the really big advantages and not
> just for game development.  Transcode I think might at least touch on some
> useful ideas as well, but don't ask me any details.
>
> > java, Gnome, KDE, Motif, BeOS, X, and TK widget wrappers
>
> Let me know if you start work on a Qt port.  I haven't yet had time to do
> it myself but I have looked at doing it once or twice.  I saw the word
> wrappers and not port up above, so I know this may not be what you meant.
>
> > I will do that as soon as some one comes up with a good name for the
> > project.
>
> Um, can't think of anything yet.. but it sounds as if DFB Cafe should be a
> good working name for now.
>
> > Personally I would hate to see DirectFB just become another way to run
> > X11 apps, and would hate to see any disunity on the DirectFB platform
> > like between GNOME and KDE. Although I would hope to intergrate most of
> > the GNOME and KDE functions and widgets into DirectFB.
>
> Rather than integrating the widgets, you might want to see what are the
> best features, (such as DCop and parts from KDE, I am sure Gnome has
> something worthwhile).   After all if it proves so useful in a
> window-manager, (and can without bias be put into DirectFB) it probably is
> worth integration.
>
> > Regards, (and avidly waiting to here responses)
> > Karl Bowden
>
> Yeah, I know my reply hasn't had that much actual information.  But I would
> like to see this succeed, so I suggest working out a 'what is needed
> first'. and get to something that could be handled by a handful of people
> in a few months.  This would help get it off the ground.
>
> Good luck.



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