Lars: Thank you for the links. I'll take a look through those.

Daniel Boyd: As far as the philosophical question vs the marketing
question. You need to know the answer to the first question. Target
audience will affect the answer to the marketing question

To everyone else:

I didn't realize there was disagreement to the idea of GNUstep being a
framework vs something else. This would explain some of the decisions made
for the current web site.
I think that the "just a framework" question needs to be answered by the
project before a website update can start.

I will say this. If the project does decide to go down the road of being
just a framework. There will be advantages and it doesn't mean that
anything needs to be lost in terms of the desktop apps related work.
It's just that apps would exist in whatever official desktop GNUstep wants
to create or endorse. The web properties for both framework and desktop
would be more focused as one would focus on developers (creating software),
the other would focus on end users (consuming software).
There could even still be mention of desktop building on the GNUstep
framework site by having a section that is about platform building, but
this too would be developer focused.

The point is from a marketing point of view, things can be simplified
because there would only be a single audience GNUstep is trying to reach.
WIth that said, my ultimate goal here is to help with the GNUstep website
and get the word out about GNUstep.
In order to do that, there needs to be agreement about what GNUstep
actually is and who it is trying to cater to.








On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 8:10 AM Daniel Boyd <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think it’s important to make sure we are all answering the same
> question. There’s a philosophical question, “what is GNUstep?” And there’s
> a marketing question, “how do we present the project to the public in order
> to grow the project?” I think the second question is more important.
>
> I also think gnustep can be a framework and still have reference
> applications. I don’t think anyone would argue that GWorkspace hurts
> GNUstep’s cause. On the contrary, it is a vivid illustration of how
> powerful gnustep (the framework) is.
>
>
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