On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:59:49AM -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> Friday, April 27, 2001, 11:32:42 AM, John Payne wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:28:02AM -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> >>
> >> As was send several times over the last month:
> >>
> >> 1) They find the domain is new by access to the zone files, which is
> >> free to anyone.
> >>
> >> 2) They get the domain contact info from whois, which is free to
> >> anyone
>
> > Except for rate limiting whois. This doesn't scale.
>
> Trust me, there are ways around rate limits.
I know. But like I said, chickenboners are lazy.
> >> 3) The spam is not the result of data selling
>
> > Chickenboners are lazy... its easier to scrape addresses from webpages
> > or usenet... or buying addresses.
>
> That's not how you are getting this spam.
How do you know? I know the addresses weren't scraped from webpages or
usenet, but how do you know the addresses weren't bought?
> >> 4) There is no way of opting out of being in the dns zone files or the
> >> whois, short of not registering domain names, which is always an
> >> option.
>
> > You could opt-out of being in the data being sold (or opt into being sold).
> > E-mail addresses in whois could be opt-in/out. There is little need for
> > everyone on the planet to know tech-/admin-/billing-contact addresses.
>
> Email in whois is, and should be, mandatory. But that's not something
> we can change here anyway.
Why? What purpose do e-mail addresses in whois serve today?
> Even if you opt-out of the bulk access whois, it won't stop these
> messages, since that is not how they are getting the data.
How do you know? A "its not likely that this is how..." I could deal
with (and to some extent agree with), but you're stating categorically
that its not.
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