OK, that's a great THEORY, but in REALITY, it's often a major league PITA to convince disreputable registrars (such as those, maybe in the Herndon, VA area) to actually do this.
The losing registrar has zero incentive to update the Admin Contact, just so you can transfer the domain away from them and stop their revenue stream. In fact, it behooves them to drop/lose/spindle/mutilate your request. There __NEEDS__ to be a way, documented as necessary, for a domain-owner to come to a new registrar (in this case Tucows), and say "We WANT to move our domain, from our current registrar. Here's the proof we are who we say we are, our current registrar is a prick, has bad data, and won't correct it, please move the transfer through". D At 12:59 PM -0500 10/30/01, Charles Daminato wrote: >The Admin contact is just a place holder. The registrant has legal control >over the domain - if the Admin contact disappears, any registrar should >allow the registrant to request a specific change to the Administrative >contact. > >Charles Daminato >OpenSRS Product Manager >Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack Broughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: October 30, 2001 12:39 PM >> To: Charles Daminato; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Confirming with non-existing email >> >> >> I'm a little interested in the "that user" portion of this response >> Charles. Having been in this business a long time I've run into real >> life situations of the admin contact embezzling money from the company >> and dropping off the face of the earth (rumoured to be Australia but >> that's almost redundant :), the admin contact dying, the admin contact >> being incarcerated with no computer priveleges and the admin contact >> injured to the point of incapacitation. I'm not sure what is imposed >> upon a registrar by ICANN rules but hopefully some of this stuff would >> be defined by your policies as a registrar and not dictated from on >> high. >> >> Hopefully there's a fallback position for "officers of the company" etc. >> listed as registrant to facilitate such things in the very unlikely >> event there is absolutely no contact possible with the listed admin >> contact. >> >> There are tons of domains at NSI that just get renewed every year with >> them because there is no means to transfer them away (the admin contact >> is listed as owner and all 3 contacts) and the company just pays the >> renewal to keep the domain up. >> >> So, in short, there's no incentive for OpenSRS to provide alternative >> means to transfer domains out of their control but I wondered if they do >> have a means for this. (Just wondered if we're a little more open to >> such things than Verisign). If it can only be managed by a court order >> is it a Canadian court that needs to be used or what? >> >> Thanks Charles. >> >> Jack >> Charles Daminato wrote: >> > >> > Unfortunately the only way to approve this is via the transfers >> interface - >> > if the current Admin email is incorrect, that user has to get >> that altered >> > at the current registrar to continue with the process. >> > >> > Charles Daminato >> > OpenSRS Product Manager >> > Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kai Schaetzl >> > > Sent: October 30, 2001 8:32 AM >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Subject: Confirming with non-existing email >> > > >> > > >> > > In the case the OpenSRS confirmation email bounces (and there's no >> > > easy way to get it changed) is there another way that OpenSRS accepts >> > > a transfer initiation (*to* OpenSRS)? The leaving registrar >> > > confirmation is not a problem here, because they accept only >> > > confirmation via fax and have already gotten (and accepted) it. >> > > However, in the RWI it now sits there "Pending Owner Approval". Can I > > > > let the owner send a fax to someone at Tucows for approval? >> > > >> > > >> > > Kai >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > Kai Sch�tzl, Berlin, Germany >> > > Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com >> > > IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org >> > > >> > > >> > > -- +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Thou art the ruins of the noblest man | | Derek J. Balling | That ever lived in the tide of times. | | | Woe to the hand that shed this costly | | | blood" - Julius Caesar Act 3, Scene 1 | +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
