You're right, so we should not try? Ya know what, why even BOTHER putting transfers through, ANY transfer, because the losing registrar can deny it. I mean, <pathetic voice>what's the point if they can just deny it?!</pathetic voice>
*sigh* D At 2:10 PM -0500 10/30/01, Charles Daminato wrote: >Problem with that is, the losing registrar can still deny the trasnfer. No >matter how much "proof" we have :( > >Charles Daminato >OpenSRS Product Manager >Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Derek J. Balling >> Sent: October 30, 2001 1:39 PM >> To: Charles Daminato; Jack Broughton; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: Confirming with non-existing email >> >> >> OK, that's a great THEORY, but in REALITY, it's often a major league >> PITA to convince disreputable registrars (such as those, maybe in the >> Herndon, VA area) to actually do this. >> >> The losing registrar has zero incentive to update the Admin Contact, >> just so you can transfer the domain away from them and stop their >> revenue stream. In fact, it behooves them to >> drop/lose/spindle/mutilate your request. >> >> There __NEEDS__ to be a way, documented as necessary, for a >> domain-owner to come to a new registrar (in this case Tucows), and >> say "We WANT to move our domain, from our current registrar. Here's >> the proof we are who we say we are, our current registrar is a prick, >> has bad data, and won't correct it, please move the transfer through". >> >> D >> >> >> At 12:59 PM -0500 10/30/01, Charles Daminato wrote: >> >The Admin contact is just a place holder. The registrant has >> legal control >> >over the domain - if the Admin contact disappears, any registrar should >> >allow the registrant to request a specific change to the Administrative >> >contact. >> > >> >Charles Daminato >> >OpenSRS Product Manager >> >Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Jack Broughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> Sent: October 30, 2001 12:39 PM >> >> To: Charles Daminato; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Subject: Re: Confirming with non-existing email >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm a little interested in the "that user" portion of this response >> >> Charles. Having been in this business a long time I've run into real >> >> life situations of the admin contact embezzling money from the company >> >> and dropping off the face of the earth (rumoured to be Australia but >> >> that's almost redundant :), the admin contact dying, the admin contact >> >> being incarcerated with no computer priveleges and the admin contact >> >> injured to the point of incapacitation. I'm not sure what is imposed >> >> upon a registrar by ICANN rules but hopefully some of this stuff would >> >> be defined by your policies as a registrar and not dictated from on >> >> high. >> >> >> >> Hopefully there's a fallback position for "officers of the >> company" etc. >> >> listed as registrant to facilitate such things in the very unlikely > > >> event there is absolutely no contact possible with the listed admin > > >> contact. > > >> > > >> There are tons of domains at NSI that just get renewed every year with >> >> them because there is no means to transfer them away (the >> admin contact >> >> is listed as owner and all 3 contacts) and the company just pays the >> >> renewal to keep the domain up. >> >> >> >> So, in short, there's no incentive for OpenSRS to provide alternative >> >> means to transfer domains out of their control but I wondered >> if they do >> >> have a means for this. (Just wondered if we're a little more open to >> >> such things than Verisign). If it can only be managed by a court order >> >> is it a Canadian court that needs to be used or what? >> >> >> >> Thanks Charles. >> >> >> >> Jack >> >> Charles Daminato wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Unfortunately the only way to approve this is via the transfers > > >> interface - >> >> > if the current Admin email is incorrect, that user has to get >> >> that altered >> >> > at the current registrar to continue with the process. >> >> > >> >> > Charles Daminato >> >> > OpenSRS Product Manager >> >> > Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kai Schaetzl >> >> > > Sent: October 30, 2001 8:32 AM >> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > Subject: Confirming with non-existing email >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > In the case the OpenSRS confirmation email bounces (and there's no >> >> > > easy way to get it changed) is there another way that >> OpenSRS accepts >> >> > > a transfer initiation (*to* OpenSRS)? The leaving registrar >> >> > > confirmation is not a problem here, because they accept only >> >> > > confirmation via fax and have already gotten (and accepted) it. >> >> > > However, in the RWI it now sits there "Pending Owner >> Approval". Can I >> > > > > let the owner send a fax to someone at Tucows for approval? >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Kai >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > >> >> > > Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany >> >> > > Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: >http://www.conactive.com >>> > > IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > >-- >+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ >| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Thou art the ruins of the noblest man | >| Derek J. Balling | That ever lived in the tide of times. | >| | Woe to the hand that shed this costly | >| | blood" - Julius Caesar Act 3, Scene 1 | >+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ -- +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Thou art the ruins of the noblest man | | Derek J. Balling | That ever lived in the tide of times. | | | Woe to the hand that shed this costly | | | blood" - Julius Caesar Act 3, Scene 1 | +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
