>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron Wiener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Peter Girard'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>> Peter,
>>
>> I enjoyed reading your proposal, and have admired the way you
continue to
>> carry the flag for a variable-priced auction mechanism. If
you please, I
>> have a couple of questions followed by a few general
comments:
>>
>> 1. If you are requiring the permission of the former registrant
in
>> order for the auction to "close"...
>>
>> a. ...are you not then in effect alerting him or her to the fact
that
>> their name may have some value, and encouraging them to renew
rather than
>> allow the name to expire? This may be a brilliant scheme
for goosing up
>> renewal rates, but how does it help registrars and registries
gain any
>> upside that they would presumably only enjoy if the name
actually changed
>> hands?
Are you implying that it is more advantageous to create a "new"
registrant rather than retain the current one? Is this a mindset
you REALLY want Registrars to have? Encourage "Domain
Abandonment" over Renewals?
>>
<snip>
>> c. It's also not clear to me that registrars Terms &
Conditions extend
>> the current registrant's rights to the domain name past the
actual
>> expiration date and into the grace period. If this is the
case that the
>> current registrant's rights have already ended then the
registrar would
>> essentially be warehousing and speculating with this name during
the grace
>> period. Perhaps someone from ICANN or VGRS can clarify
this for us. Dan
>>or Chuck?
Why should the REGISTRY be allowed to "speculate" on names
either? It does seem that with the WLS proposal that is essentially what
is happening. They may not be "warehousing" it for
speculation, but diverting it off through another channel for profit,
which seems effectively the same to me.
>>
>> 2. It seems to me that there is a distinction between the WLS
(as
>> proposed) and the RRS (as proposed), in that the WLS allows
registrars to
>> capture "backup demand" for any name throughout the
entire year. The RRS
>> only allows the capture of demand during a portion of the 45-day
grace
>> period window, which inherently means it would be primarily of
interest
>>to, and accessible to, speculators, not mainstream
consumers.
Please give us the facts. What percentage of SnapNames' income is
derived from speculators? Why would the WLS be any less of a
percentage? Does SnapNames enjoy 90% of revenues from Speculators?
95%? 97%? How much?
>> Mainstream customers are unlikely to happen to discover a need
for a domain
>> name during any particular 45-day period, learn how to search
for it from
>> about 1.5M names that would presumably be up for auction during
such period,
>> learn how the bidding mechanism works, dig in their pockets for
a credit
>> card to pay a $2 fee (smacks a bit too much of $2 .biz lottery
fees -yikes
>> - bad memories!), and sit around to monitor the whole
thing. Odds are 9:1
>> that the discovered need for a name would happen sometime other
than that
>> 45-day window. (I'm simplifying this by assuming the
average registration
>> is about one year in term anyway.) The RRS proposal states
that consumers
>> would have "open, fair access to deleting domain names in
an environment
>> free from high-tech gaming and first-mover advantage" but
the method
>> described doesn't seem to meet this definition.
>>
>>
>> Consumers are not likely to want to participate in an auction
process which
>> can easily be gamed, much like eBay auctions often are, with
shill bids.
>> Witness the thick file at the FTC and the number of lawsuits
that were
>> generated. In fact, a savvy speculator could whip up a
robotic algorithm to
>> outbid others milliseconds before auction close, or to pump
fraudulent bids
>> into the system using stolen credit card numbers - a problem
already
>> plaguing too many registrars and secondary name sites.
I know for a fact that speculators are already "whipping up robotic
algorithms" to immediately pounce on WLS slots on names the second
they go on hold. This seems like a red herring to me.
>> Consumers are also not likely to wait anywhere from 1 to 344
days to then
>> have to monitor an auction process, and then be prepared to
spend an
>> undefined amount of money to get the name. I can see
speculators being
>> willing to do this all day long - they're good at it - but
mainstream
>> consumers? For them I believe this type of mechanism would
be deemed yet
>> another "game of chance" with $2 betting fees, and
could become a lightning
>> rod for litigation against registrars, ICANN, VeriSign, et al.
Speculators
>> may be just fine with the game of change (some seem to even
thrive on it)
>> but mainstream customers would be anything but enamored by the
prospect of
>> it.
>>
The WLS proposal is still a "Game of Chance", in my opinion,
due to the fact that it encourages the sale of WLS "positions"
on names NOT known to be deleting. If total market saturation were
to occur on 32 million names, how many consumers would recieve absolutely
nothing? The idea of being able to "switch names" 3 times
also indicates to me that this is still something that would require the
consumer's attention during the subscription period, if only to avoid
recieving nothing in return for whatever fees they paid. Why can a
consumer buy a WLS on a name that isn't even going to expire during the
term of the WLS? If a name were "accidentally" deleted during
this term, would it not have to be returned to the original registrant
anyway?
>> Further, while I fundamentally agree that
variable-pricing makes a lot of
>> sense in the long run, it's extraordinarily tricky getting it
right when it
>> comes to domain names, and now doesn't seem the right time to
implement
>>such an advanced marketplace concept. Witness the number of
different models
>> that have been tried and abandoned by some of the ccTLDs - a
perfect one is
>> yet to be found. One concern from an FTC standpoint
is that uninitiated
>> domain name buyers might be goaded into paying unwarranted
prices for
>>domain names because of the heated action of an auction.
This is where sites
>>like NameWinner are actually safer, because everyone there is at
least a
>> quasi-professional speculator and knows how to appraise the
value of a
>>name.
>> If unwitting consumers are successfully drawn into an active
bidding event
>> for domain names, they could potentially be misled into paying
exorbitant
>> prices. One benefit of the flat pricing of the WLS
structure is that it
>> eliminates the possibility of this sort of complex and
problematic consumer
>> experience. Again, you might ask the FTC how many such
complaints they've
>> received from eBay customers over this sort of thing.
>>
What this has to do with anything, I don't know. The FTC doesn't
much care for monopolies either, as far as I can tell.
>> Finally, putting on my Wall Street hat for a moment, the RRS
lacks two
>> especially nice financial features of the WLS which is that it
provides no
>> forward visibility on certain revenues (i.e. if 60% of my
registrants do not
>> renew next year I know that x% of the names in question
would
>>automatically go to a wait listed customer) and no growth in
deferred revenue, a key
>> valuation driver. For public companies (there are
currently six
>> publicly-held registrars) this is particularly important, as it
is for the
>> valuation of any registrar that hopes to be acquired
someday.
While the WLS may indeed provide these nice "Wall Street"
benefits for SnapNames and Verisign, it has been stated already by some
registrars that the margin on WLS sales by registrars will most likely
only be a dollar or two. All it takes is for ONE registrar to do it
and ALL the others will have to follow suit in order to be
competitive. Again, this also seems to be "encouraging domain
abandonment" rather than "registration retention",
although I agree that a certain percentage will not renew anyway.
And is it really every Registrar's dream... "to be aquired
someday"? What happened to being profitable enough not to HAVE
to be aquired?
-HJW-
Harold Whiting
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