----- Original Message ----- From: "FULLdetails.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Xeotech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: .uk DETAGGED records
Martyn wrote: >Chris - i stand corrected Welcome! ;-) >Anyway - back to the original question about DETAGGED domains >Nominet appears to frown on TAG holders that put a lien an domain names for >unpaid bills I'm not sure what the official CoM line is on this - maybe you should post on nom-discuss? - however, hosting and domain registration are usually considered to be two separate entities. If someone owes you for hosting services but has paid for the domain, then there is not a lot you can do to prevent a Tag change. They bought it, and its their property for the period of registration. >however, if you bought a domain through another TAG holder you should have >read their full T&C's to see what happens if you try to move your domain away Agreed, the small print isn't easy to find, if there at all! However, if they prove stubborn then one just applies pressure through the relevant registry. Nominet for example, will give a two notification to the current Tag holder of a domain, if the owner decides he wants it shifted and they refuse or apparently ignore the request. The Tag holder has to come up with a damn good reason for hanging on to it. >some companies build their business model on "free" domain names as a loss >leader part of the "domain package" - why should they help people bag cheap >domains Nothing in life is 'free'! As many find out to their cost. >buying a cheap domain name without a way of hosting it is akin to buying >cheap petrol without a car to put it in A domain does not necessarily have to sit on its own space. It can point anywhere, and frequently does. But think, how many people/companies grab a domain just to stop someone else getting it? Those with the buying power and legal clout still tend to win out. A prime example was the outright lunacy associated with 'round robin' process for .biz registrations. The legal wranglings were in the main caused by those who had their noses put out of joint ... Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Xeotech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FULLdetails.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: Re: .uk DETAGGED records > Martyn, > > Slightly haywire on the advice mate! Get your facts straight ;-) > > There is a distinct difference between holding a Nominet Tag > and being a Nominet Member. They are not one and the same > thing. Neither for that matter does an IPS Tag cost �500!!! > > See: > > http://www.nominet.org.uk/members/membership.html > > > Cheers, > > > Chris > Xeotech > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > voice/fax: +44(0)7092 199733 ( to email ) > mbl: +44(0)7957 724648 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FULLdetails.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: .uk DETAGGED records > > > Rob > > if you had an IPS TAG you would have paid � 500 for it and been invoiced � > 100 annually for its renewal - plus the cost of any domain renewals > all-be-it @ � 5 for 2 years instead of the � 80 Nominet charge the public > > just go to www.nic.uk or http://www.nominet.org.uk/members-private > or http://195.66.240.196/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?query=natweb.co.uk > > the rules are simple - just RTFM :-) > > Martyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 7:41 PM > Subject: RE: .uk DETAGGED records > > > > Thanks Brian, they are actually domains I registered some time ago and was > > not prepared to pay the registry their exorbitant transfer fees to get it > > across to OpenSRS. So I let them expire and was going to re-register them > > afresh. > > I actually have a Nominet TAG (which I've never used) so as the previous > > registrant does that mean I could get in touch with Nominet and get them > to > > allow me to renew using my own TAG - I might as well use mine as I've paid > > for it;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 19 May 2002 16:52 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: .uk DETAGGED records > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > > I want to register two .co.uk domain names which are shown in WHOIS as > > > DETAGGED but when I try to register them I get a "Sorry, > domainname.co.uk > > > has already been reserved". > > > I thought DETAGGED meant the domain was available > > > > this is unfortnately not the case. > > > > 'DETAGGED' simply means that the current registrars (the TAGholders) have > > told Nominet that they no longer wished to be invoiced for renewals of > this > > domain.... there may be a number of reasons why this could occur - most > > likely will be the tagholders failing to get renewal fees from the > client... > > > > it is also worth bearing in mind that just because a domain is detagged > > doesn't mean the owner of the domain doesn't want it... > > > > I could register a domain for myself today, pay the invoice from Nominet > > (i'm a member) and then detag it - the domain would still be mine for the > > two years (though it would be unwise as there would be no DNS entries and > > hence the domain wouldn't point anywhere! ) - but you get my point?! > > > > it would also mean that Nominet would contact me in two years time and > offer > > to renew it at their standard price of UK�80+VAT (UK�94) > > > > to answer your next question, "when will it become available?"... the > answer > > is who knows... > > > > i've seen domains DETAGGED for years... they are *supposedly* being > released > > back into the pool of available domains, but i've got no firm evidence > that > > it actually occurs! > > > > best advice I can give is to find out when it was registered, add 2 years > > (or multiples of) to that date and work out when it expires... you can > tell > > when it was detagged as the date will be mentioned in the whois. > > > > if there's a while left, then it may be worthwhile contacting the owner > > directly (potentially not easy as details are limited in .uk whois for > now) > > and making an offer... other than that, just wait and keep checking the > > domain. > > > > hope this helps > > > > Brian > > > > > > >
