For the record, I object to the right of publicity. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Fred Benenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Dean Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> People who slap NC on their CC'd work on the other hand have the very >>> sound understanding that if they didn't do this, nasty, greedy corporations >>> could make colossal profits by selling access, or performances, copies, and >>> derivatives of their work (despite it being freely copyable). >>> >> >> I fully understand why NC exists, but in this case I think it's completely >> idiotic. I mean if some horrible greedy corporation wants to make colossal >> profits by selling access to the Spark competition video website and videos, >> then by all means LET THEM! >> >> If you're trying to sell something in the first place and think you're >> going to be edged out of the market by large corporations, then NC *might* >> make sense. >> >> --Dean >> > > I agree for the most part here. > > But I think there is another reason that is grounded in pure > capital-self-interest for creators choosing NC. I think its because people > don't like the *idea* of a corporation using their work for advertising or > promotion. Its not that think they're losing out on a possible revenue > stream, its that they think of themselves as artists who have a right to say > who gets to use their work commercially or not. This is the case for > publicity rights to ones image (and I don't think that many people object to > publicity rights.) so it seems a natural extension for artists to assume > such a right to their *images* or work. > > People have strong objections to commercialization of community projects > (see: Wikipedia and advertising or the prohibition of logos / cash / > corporations at Burning Man among many examples) and while I personally as > an artist find the "freedom from restrictions" argument compelling in the > face of the absurdity of copyright monopolies, most people don't get that > far -- they hear that Ford can, legally, use their music in a Commercial or > Exxon can, legally, use their photo on their website, and they slap NC on > it. > > Changing attitudes on NC is not going to be done by focusing on > hypothetical royalties or commissions (or by sarcastically antagonizing > people about ones that won't exist), but by changing attitudes about > corporations and commercial uses of creative works. That is a long battle > that predates CC and copyleft. > > Assuming that the argument just comes down to a "lost revenue" issue > assumes that all artists who use NC are exclusively capitally motivated, > which is a cynical and, from my experience, fairly shallow view of their > relationship to their work. > > And on one last note -- I don't buy the argument that "copyleft" solves the > exploitation by a corporation problem because corporations don't like > "viral" licenses. This implies that though corporations CAN do something, we > just assume they WON'T do it because of some generalized assumption about > corporations not liking copyleft, which may not hold true -- which should > not hold true. > > > > F > > PS: Despite working for CC, these views are mine and mine alone. > > > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Dean Jansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> *Sent:* Friday, 25 July 2008 4:13pm >>> *To:* Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in >>> particular >>> *Subject:* Re: [FC-discuss] Sparky Awards video contest >>> >>> I assume he means this: >>> >>> "Copyright, 2008 SPARC, subject to a Creative Commons >>> Attribution-NonCommercial 2.5 >>> License<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/> >>> " >>> >>> and that NC = lame (especially in this case) >>> >>> That's just my interpretation of the comment though, so who knows. >>> >>> --Dean >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Nelson Pavlosky < >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Rob Myers wrote: >>>> > Rather than comment on the NC failage in this competition I'll just >>>> > draw your attention to: >>>> > >>>> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=iVCGmyRrmUc >>>> > >>>> > - Rob. >>>> >>>> What does "NC failage" mean? >>>> >>>> ~Nelson~ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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