re: consent vs permission: what do you mean? Is it just that you consent when the question is "I'm going to record you. Let me know if this is a problem." and you give permission when the question is "May I record you?"
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Adi Kamdar <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 to Kevin > > I love the idea, and I think asking for teachers' consent should be highly > encouraged. I know at my school, there are serious serious consequences for > recording classes w/o the teacher's approval. One of my favorite teachers > (who is very very very free culture friendly) actually prohibits recording > in his classroom. His rationale? Basically what Kevin wrote: his classroom > is a safe space where people can be absurd and goofy and controversial and > say things that they wouldn't say were they recorded. > > That being said, I think this can serve as a super useful resource when > consent is given. In my mind there's a distinction between giving consent > and giving permission. Thoughts? > > -Adi > > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Kevin Driscoll <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > From: Rich Jones <[email protected]> >> > >> > For now, we're keeping LectureLeaks strictly legal, so I don't think >> > we'll need to move it to Sweden. Yet. :) >> > >> > We'd much rather have professors simply agree to let their courses >> > continue being online rather than start an online copyright battle >> > with people who are just trying to teach. >> >> >> Very psyched to see this project getting off the ground! As someone >> occasionally in the role of the lecturer, I want to also share three >> concerns that come to mind... >> >> 1. Ours is a noble cause but the history of secret classroom >> recordings is not entirely a proud one. In recent memory, some >> teachers have been attacked and harassed because of surreptitious >> recordings leaked by students. This has been especially troublesome in >> classes that discuss "hot topics" like evolution and socialism. >> >> * >> http://christianexaminer.blogspot.com/2011/02/student-sues-teacher-goes-to-ninth.html >> * >> http://www.pbs.org/teachers/learning.now/2007/02/caught_on_tape_for_better_or_w.html >> * >> http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2010/10/are-your-students-secretly-recording-you-.html >> * http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/03/cell-phone-came.html >> >> >> 2. Ideally, the classroom is a safe space for students and teachers to >> take risks, ask questions that others might call "dumb", and share >> bits of their personal lives. If students think they are being >> secretly recorded, I'm afraid they'll be less forthcoming in class >> discussion. This chilling effect pits the learning experience of >> in-class students to the potential value of OER. >> >> >> 3. A small complaint about the name: I get the connection to WikiLeaks >> but feel like it sets up an oppositional relationship between the >> student-user and the lecturer. Is this a concern? Or is the project >> primarily student-focused and reaching out to faculty is not a >> priority? >> >> >> >> All that being said, my favorite part of this project is that it >> EXISTS. Better to work on the boat after setting sail than to never >> leave the harbor! >> >> (Plus, I'm looking forward to reading a lengthy comment thread on the >> Chronicle of Higher Ed blog!) >> >> Kevin >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > -- http://www.madebyparker.com _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss
