dear all, thank you for this discussion and great points! I am part of the CodeRefinery project and as such super happy to see that there is interest in reuse of the material!
Our motivation for choosing CC-BY-SA over CC-BY was to maximize the "return" for the public by "guaranteeing" for derivative work to remain open and to encourage reuse. But now I see that it can limit reuse in practice and this would be in conflict with our goals to maximize sharing and derivative work. I can now see that CC-BY would probably be better for the CodeRefinery material. On Monday at the CodeRefinery team meeting I will bring this up. I don't think that anyone in the CodeRefinery team has strong opinions against CC-BY and therefore I am confident that we might be able to change this to simplify reuse. Of course this will be a team decision and all past authors who have contributed to the material in question will have to agree to this step - I will inform you about this once I know more. best regards, radovan On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:49 PM Erin Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Wirawan Purwanto for the questions and Owen Stephens for the detailed > response! I don't have anything to add, except to state that everything Owen > has said already is correct according to my understanding of our licensing. I > completely sympathise with how frustrating it can be to find amazing > materials that you're not able to use because of licensing issues. Let's make > more CC-BY (or CC-0!) content! > > Best, > Erin > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:23 AM Owen Stephens <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> My views inline: >> >> On 8 Aug 2019, at 15:47, Purwanto, Wirawan <[email protected]> wrote: >> Can we actually take a piece of CC-BY-SA materials and include it in a >> greater work that is licensed by CC-BY? >> >> I think https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/ShareAlike_compatibility is >> pretty clear on this: >> >> "CC BY is one-way compatible with BY-SA. You may adapt a BY work and apply >> BY-SA to your contributions, but you may not adapt a BY-SA work and apply BY >> to your contributions.” >> >> Assuming that perhaps the piece coming from CC-BY-SA will still be under >> CC-BY-SA, and not the CC-BY governing the rest of the work. Is this possible? >> >> Yes. This page gives some guidance on this >> https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Marking/Creators/Marking_third_party_content >> Essentially it is possible to state at a granular level that particular >> parts of content are licensed separately. >> >> However in terms of the Carpentry lessons and how they are published I’m not >> sure how easy it would be to manage this. The lessons are currently >> structured with a license stated at the level of the whole lesson (by a >> LICENSE.md file in the lesson repository). Possibly this could be worked >> around by some changes to the LICENSES.md file to indicate there are >> materials which are licensed separately. It might take some careful wording >> to accurately describe what is covered by the CC-BY license and what is not. >> >> In addition the Software Carpentry website states: >> "All of our lessons are freely available under the Creative Commons - >> Attribution License.” (https://software-carpentry.org/lessons/) >> and >> "All Software Carpentry instructional material is made available under the >> Creative Commons Attribution license." >> (https://software-carpentry.org/license/) >> >> Including non CC-BY content (even clearly labelled) would go against these >> statements in my opinion. >> >> It’s also worth considering the downsides of including content with more >> restrictive licensing - it would make it more difficult for others to re-use >> the Carpentries content because they would need to ensure they checked and >> tracked materials licensed under anything other than CC-BY. It could add an >> overhead to lesson maintainance. >> >> >> Related to the question above: Has anyone ever worked with other people in >> adopting their materials and relicensing under CC-BY? What experience that >> you can share? Are people generally willing to accept such a request? >> >> I can only speak as someone who has produced and licensed materials under >> CC-BY - and my approach is always that I love to see use of the materials I >> produce, especially if they are appropriately attributed! I’ve currently >> having a discussion about using some material I’ve previously published as >> CC-BY in a Library Carpentry lesson - so I can say that at least some >> producers are very keen on seeing their work re-used widely. >> >> I think it is always worth approaching people and asking - the worst outcome >> is that they say they aren’t willing to amend their license. >> >> >> Why I am asking these questions here? Things such as figures, tables, and >> code snippets can sometimes hard to come by and if we can leverage what >> others have made, all the better, rather than us also spending a lot of time >> remaking them just because of incompatible license. >> >> >> I understand this - but I see making such materials available under a CC-BY >> license as a positive outcome of work on Carpentries material and well worth >> the investment of time. If we can take concepts and illustrate them in a way >> that can be more widely re-used that seems like a very good thing. >> >> I definitely understand the frustration of finding materials that would be >> useful but don’t have compatible licenses - this happens a lot! But >> ultimately for me this is about how Carpentries makes materials available in >> a way that increases accessibility and use by adopting an Open approach, and >> I wouldn’t want to see that change. >> >> Owen >> > > > -- > Erin Becker > Associate Director with The Carpentries > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/ebecker-1 > The Carpentries / discuss / see discussions + participants + delivery options > Permalink ------------------------------------------ The Carpentries: discuss Permalink: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/Td64229aeb252a027-M78720d3581d48e15252eaa26 Delivery options: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription
