dear all, with the CodeRefinery team we have decided to change license of our material to CC-BY to make reuse within CC-BY easier/possible.
This will take a week or two, though. For each lesson I will create an issue such as this one where the progress of this change can be tracked: https://github.com/coderefinery/git-intro/issues/192 Thanks again for your interest in the material! It would give us a lot of joy to see it reused and remixed. best wishes, radovan On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 11:03 PM Erin Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > > Excellent! Thank you Radovan for bringing this discussion back to the > CodeRefinery. Please do let us know the decision. > > Best, > Erin > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:43 AM Radovan Bast <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> dear all, >> >> thank you for this discussion and great points! I am part of the >> CodeRefinery project and as such super happy to see that there is >> interest in reuse of the material! >> >> Our motivation for choosing CC-BY-SA over CC-BY was to maximize the >> "return" for the public by "guaranteeing" for derivative work to >> remain open and to encourage reuse. But now I see that it can limit >> reuse in practice and this would be in conflict with our goals to >> maximize sharing and derivative work. I can now see that CC-BY would >> probably be better for the CodeRefinery material. >> >> On Monday at the CodeRefinery team meeting I will bring this up. I >> don't think that anyone in the CodeRefinery team has strong opinions >> against CC-BY and therefore I am confident that we might be able to >> change this to simplify reuse. Of course this will be a team decision >> and all past authors who have contributed to the material in question >> will have to agree to this step - I will inform you about this once I >> know more. >> >> best regards, >> radovan >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:49 PM Erin Becker <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Thanks Wirawan Purwanto for the questions and Owen Stephens for the >> > detailed response! I don't have anything to add, except to state that >> > everything Owen has said already is correct according to my understanding >> > of our licensing. I completely sympathise with how frustrating it can be >> > to find amazing materials that you're not able to use because of licensing >> > issues. Let's make more CC-BY (or CC-0!) content! >> > >> > Best, >> > Erin >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:23 AM Owen Stephens <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> My views inline: >> >> >> >> On 8 Aug 2019, at 15:47, Purwanto, Wirawan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Can we actually take a piece of CC-BY-SA materials and include it in a >> >> greater work that is licensed by CC-BY? >> >> >> >> I think https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/ShareAlike_compatibility is >> >> pretty clear on this: >> >> >> >> "CC BY is one-way compatible with BY-SA. You may adapt a BY work and >> >> apply BY-SA to your contributions, but you may not adapt a BY-SA work and >> >> apply BY to your contributions.” >> >> >> >> Assuming that perhaps the piece coming from CC-BY-SA will still be under >> >> CC-BY-SA, and not the CC-BY governing the rest of the work. Is this >> >> possible? >> >> >> >> Yes. This page gives some guidance on this >> >> https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Marking/Creators/Marking_third_party_content >> >> Essentially it is possible to state at a granular level that particular >> >> parts of content are licensed separately. >> >> >> >> However in terms of the Carpentry lessons and how they are published I’m >> >> not sure how easy it would be to manage this. The lessons are currently >> >> structured with a license stated at the level of the whole lesson (by a >> >> LICENSE.md file in the lesson repository). Possibly this could be worked >> >> around by some changes to the LICENSES.md file to indicate there are >> >> materials which are licensed separately. It might take some careful >> >> wording to accurately describe what is covered by the CC-BY license and >> >> what is not. >> >> >> >> In addition the Software Carpentry website states: >> >> "All of our lessons are freely available under the Creative Commons - >> >> Attribution License.” (https://software-carpentry.org/lessons/) >> >> and >> >> "All Software Carpentry instructional material is made available under >> >> the Creative Commons Attribution license." >> >> (https://software-carpentry.org/license/) >> >> >> >> Including non CC-BY content (even clearly labelled) would go against >> >> these statements in my opinion. >> >> >> >> It’s also worth considering the downsides of including content with more >> >> restrictive licensing - it would make it more difficult for others to >> >> re-use the Carpentries content because they would need to ensure they >> >> checked and tracked materials licensed under anything other than CC-BY. >> >> It could add an overhead to lesson maintainance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Related to the question above: Has anyone ever worked with other people >> >> in adopting their materials and relicensing under CC-BY? What experience >> >> that you can share? Are people generally willing to accept such a request? >> >> >> >> I can only speak as someone who has produced and licensed materials under >> >> CC-BY - and my approach is always that I love to see use of the materials >> >> I produce, especially if they are appropriately attributed! I’ve >> >> currently having a discussion about using some material I’ve previously >> >> published as CC-BY in a Library Carpentry lesson - so I can say that at >> >> least some producers are very keen on seeing their work re-used widely. >> >> >> >> I think it is always worth approaching people and asking - the worst >> >> outcome is that they say they aren’t willing to amend their license. >> >> >> >> >> >> Why I am asking these questions here? Things such as figures, tables, and >> >> code snippets can sometimes hard to come by and if we can leverage what >> >> others have made, all the better, rather than us also spending a lot of >> >> time remaking them just because of incompatible license. >> >> >> >> >> >> I understand this - but I see making such materials available under a >> >> CC-BY license as a positive outcome of work on Carpentries material and >> >> well worth the investment of time. If we can take concepts and illustrate >> >> them in a way that can be more widely re-used that seems like a very good >> >> thing. >> >> >> >> I definitely understand the frustration of finding materials that would >> >> be useful but don’t have compatible licenses - this happens a lot! But >> >> ultimately for me this is about how Carpentries makes materials available >> >> in a way that increases accessibility and use by adopting an Open >> >> approach, and I wouldn’t want to see that change. >> >> >> >> Owen >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Erin Becker >> > Associate Director with The Carpentries >> > Pronouns: she/her/hers >> > Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/ebecker-1 >> > The Carpentries / discuss / see discussions + participants + delivery >> > options Permalink > > > > -- > Erin Becker > Associate Director with The Carpentries > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/ebecker-1 > The Carpentries / discuss / see discussions + participants + delivery options > Permalink ------------------------------------------ The Carpentries: discuss Permalink: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/Td64229aeb252a027-M985de680e515db83fb304cb6 Delivery options: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription
