Thats absolutely wonderful news Radovan! I'd love to get the word out to our community about this change and that CodeRefinery materials will now be easier to incorporate into Carpentries (or other) lessons. Would you be willing to do a blog post? I'll follow up with you off list to discuss details.
Thanks again! Erin On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 8:12 AM Purwanto, Wirawan <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Radovan & CodeRefinery team for considering the change in license! > We appreciate your willingness to get this materials to be adopted more > widely. > > Wirawan > > On 8/14/19, 1:21 PM, "Radovan Bast" <[email protected]> wrote: > > dear all, > > with the CodeRefinery team we have decided to change license of our > material to CC-BY to make reuse within CC-BY easier/possible. > > This will take a week or two, though. For each lesson I will create an > issue such as this one where the progress of this change can be > tracked: > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcoderefinery%2Fgit-intro%2Fissues%2F192&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=lVs%2FNbrz1NMbUK8Ss%2F9usZZ84GMS6VhULuGfmaNpHX0%3D&reserved=0 > > Thanks again for your interest in the material! It would give us a lot > of joy to see it reused and remixed. > > best wishes, > radovan > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 11:03 PM Erin Becker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Excellent! Thank you Radovan for bringing this discussion back to > the CodeRefinery. Please do let us know the decision. > > > > Best, > > Erin > > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:43 AM Radovan Bast <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> dear all, > >> > >> thank you for this discussion and great points! I am part of the > >> CodeRefinery project and as such super happy to see that there is > >> interest in reuse of the material! > >> > >> Our motivation for choosing CC-BY-SA over CC-BY was to maximize the > >> "return" for the public by "guaranteeing" for derivative work to > >> remain open and to encourage reuse. But now I see that it can limit > >> reuse in practice and this would be in conflict with our goals to > >> maximize sharing and derivative work. I can now see that CC-BY would > >> probably be better for the CodeRefinery material. > >> > >> On Monday at the CodeRefinery team meeting I will bring this up. I > >> don't think that anyone in the CodeRefinery team has strong opinions > >> against CC-BY and therefore I am confident that we might be able to > >> change this to simplify reuse. Of course this will be a team > decision > >> and all past authors who have contributed to the material in > question > >> will have to agree to this step - I will inform you about this once > I > >> know more. > >> > >> best regards, > >> radovan > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:49 PM Erin Becker < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > Thanks Wirawan Purwanto for the questions and Owen Stephens for > the detailed response! I don't have anything to add, except to state that > everything Owen has said already is correct according to my understanding > of our licensing. I completely sympathise with how frustrating it can be to > find amazing materials that you're not able to use because of licensing > issues. Let's make more CC-BY (or CC-0!) content! > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > Erin > >> > > >> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:23 AM Owen Stephens <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> My views inline: > >> >> > >> >> On 8 Aug 2019, at 15:47, Purwanto, Wirawan <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Can we actually take a piece of CC-BY-SA materials and include > it in a greater work that is licensed by CC-BY? > >> >> > >> >> I think > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.creativecommons.org%2Fwiki%2FShareAlike_compatibility&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=Gx3gMc2gtT8O%2Fb%2BHuXLdkDyP5ETN3Ic9CkKgO9qg%2BhM%3D&reserved=0 > is pretty clear on this: > >> >> > >> >> "CC BY is one-way compatible with BY-SA. You may adapt a BY work > and apply BY-SA to your contributions, but you may not adapt a BY-SA work > and apply BY to your contributions.” > >> >> > >> >> Assuming that perhaps the piece coming from CC-BY-SA will still > be under CC-BY-SA, and not the CC-BY governing the rest of the work. Is > this possible? > >> >> > >> >> Yes. This page gives some guidance on this > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.creativecommons.org%2Fwiki%2FMarking%2FCreators%2FMarking_third_party_content&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=Hrih0AAuLbX6hwHzwj6Sn4UNWj0WOy0Ry9xVrE1nA6g%3D&reserved=0 > >> >> Essentially it is possible to state at a granular level that > particular parts of content are licensed separately. > >> >> > >> >> However in terms of the Carpentry lessons and how they are > published I’m not sure how easy it would be to manage this. The lessons are > currently structured with a license stated at the level of the whole lesson > (by a LICENSE.md file in the lesson repository). Possibly this could be > worked around by some changes to the LICENSES.md file to indicate there are > materials which are licensed separately. It might take some careful wording > to accurately describe what is covered by the CC-BY license and what is not. > >> >> > >> >> In addition the Software Carpentry website states: > >> >> "All of our lessons are freely available under the Creative > Commons - Attribution License.” ( > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsoftware-carpentry.org%2Flessons%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=cpI%2FmFUeffku3MQXqyYhdJ9K7yn8nQA9rLkRFWjYwVA%3D&reserved=0 > ) > >> >> and > >> >> "All Software Carpentry instructional material is made available > under the Creative Commons Attribution license." ( > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsoftware-carpentry.org%2Flicense%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=EWz6n8NcJIb96daUd7Kj43uX6ufsSvuXNXSt6rgr6lo%3D&reserved=0 > ) > >> >> > >> >> Including non CC-BY content (even clearly labelled) would go > against these statements in my opinion. > >> >> > >> >> It’s also worth considering the downsides of including content > with more restrictive licensing - it would make it more difficult for > others to re-use the Carpentries content because they would need to ensure > they checked and tracked materials licensed under anything other than > CC-BY. It could add an overhead to lesson maintainance. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Related to the question above: Has anyone ever worked with other > people in adopting their materials and relicensing under CC-BY? What > experience that you can share? Are people generally willing to accept such > a request? > >> >> > >> >> I can only speak as someone who has produced and licensed > materials under CC-BY - and my approach is always that I love to see use of > the materials I produce, especially if they are appropriately attributed! > I’ve currently having a discussion about using some material I’ve > previously published as CC-BY in a Library Carpentry lesson - so I can say > that at least some producers are very keen on seeing their work re-used > widely. > >> >> > >> >> I think it is always worth approaching people and asking - the > worst outcome is that they say they aren’t willing to amend their license. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Why I am asking these questions here? Things such as figures, > tables, and code snippets can sometimes hard to come by and if we can > leverage what others have made, all the better, rather than us also > spending a lot of time remaking them just because of incompatible license. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I understand this - but I see making such materials available > under a CC-BY license as a positive outcome of work on Carpentries material > and well worth the investment of time. If we can take concepts and > illustrate them in a way that can be more widely re-used that seems like a > very good thing. > >> >> > >> >> I definitely understand the frustration of finding materials > that would be useful but don’t have compatible licenses - this happens a > lot! But ultimately for me this is about how Carpentries makes materials > available in a way that increases accessibility and use by adopting an Open > approach, and I wouldn’t want to see that change. > >> >> > >> >> Owen > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Erin Becker > >> > Associate Director with The Carpentries > >> > Pronouns: she/her/hers > >> > Schedule a meeting with me: > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalendly.com%2Febecker-1&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=N8qC%2B9lD55ZYg9BULQ%2FAhZLcrsD7jOhVVtaKH%2BhMoFM%3D&reserved=0 > >> > The Carpentries / discuss / see discussions + participants + > delivery options Permalink > >> > >> ------------------------------------------ > >> The Carpentries: discuss > >> Permalink: > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcarpentries.topicbox.com%2Fgroups%2Fdiscuss%2FTd64229aeb252a027-M78720d3581d48e15252eaa26&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=sH3fQfFYkKN7%2BJSmia1FA75q1u8NjxO%2FUM7w290gJns%3D&reserved=0 > >> Delivery options: > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcarpentries.topicbox.com%2Fgroups%2Fdiscuss%2Fsubscription&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=dVEH38%2F%2B%2BWfuh%2FsGauuzMC6pZhxwNeJjaYEzPPNsvrQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > -- > > Erin Becker > > Associate Director with The Carpentries > > Pronouns: she/her/hers > > Schedule a meeting with me: > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalendly.com%2Febecker-1&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cf47fdef4212c42fcac7908d720dbdaa3%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637014000947404430&sdata=N8qC%2B9lD55ZYg9BULQ%2FAhZLcrsD7jOhVVtaKH%2BhMoFM%3D&reserved=0 > > The Carpentries / discuss / see discussions + participants + > delivery options Permalink > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The Carpentries: discuss > Permalink: > https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/Td64229aeb252a027-Mc76d151b869bfd960b7eb7c5 > Delivery options: > https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription > -- *Erin Becker* *Associate Director* with The Carpentries <https://carpentries.org/> Pronouns: she/her/hers Schedule a meeting with me: *https://calendly.com/ebecker-1 <https://calendly.com/ebecker-1>* ------------------------------------------ The Carpentries: discuss Permalink: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/Td64229aeb252a027-Mf4a703f95d8dc077e84be233 Delivery options: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription
