Excellent! Thank you Radovan for bringing this discussion back to the CodeRefinery. Please do let us know the decision.
Best, Erin On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:43 AM Radovan Bast <[email protected]> wrote: > dear all, > > thank you for this discussion and great points! I am part of the > CodeRefinery project and as such super happy to see that there is > interest in reuse of the material! > > Our motivation for choosing CC-BY-SA over CC-BY was to maximize the > "return" for the public by "guaranteeing" for derivative work to > remain open and to encourage reuse. But now I see that it can limit > reuse in practice and this would be in conflict with our goals to > maximize sharing and derivative work. I can now see that CC-BY would > probably be better for the CodeRefinery material. > > On Monday at the CodeRefinery team meeting I will bring this up. I > don't think that anyone in the CodeRefinery team has strong opinions > against CC-BY and therefore I am confident that we might be able to > change this to simplify reuse. Of course this will be a team decision > and all past authors who have contributed to the material in question > will have to agree to this step - I will inform you about this once I > know more. > > best regards, > radovan > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:49 PM Erin Becker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Thanks Wirawan Purwanto for the questions and Owen Stephens for the > detailed response! I don't have anything to add, except to state that > everything Owen has said already is correct according to my understanding > of our licensing. I completely sympathise with how frustrating it can be to > find amazing materials that you're not able to use because of licensing > issues. Let's make more CC-BY (or CC-0!) content! > > > > Best, > > Erin > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:23 AM Owen Stephens <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> My views inline: > >> > >> On 8 Aug 2019, at 15:47, Purwanto, Wirawan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Can we actually take a piece of CC-BY-SA materials and include it in a > greater work that is licensed by CC-BY? > >> > >> I think https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/ShareAlike_compatibility > is pretty clear on this: > >> > >> "CC BY is one-way compatible with BY-SA. You may adapt a BY work and > apply BY-SA to your contributions, but you may not adapt a BY-SA work and > apply BY to your contributions.” > >> > >> Assuming that perhaps the piece coming from CC-BY-SA will still be > under CC-BY-SA, and not the CC-BY governing the rest of the work. Is this > possible? > >> > >> Yes. This page gives some guidance on this > https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Marking/Creators/Marking_third_party_content > >> Essentially it is possible to state at a granular level that particular > parts of content are licensed separately. > >> > >> However in terms of the Carpentry lessons and how they are published > I’m not sure how easy it would be to manage this. The lessons are currently > structured with a license stated at the level of the whole lesson (by a > LICENSE.md file in the lesson repository). Possibly this could be worked > around by some changes to the LICENSES.md file to indicate there are > materials which are licensed separately. It might take some careful wording > to accurately describe what is covered by the CC-BY license and what is not. > >> > >> In addition the Software Carpentry website states: > >> "All of our lessons are freely available under the Creative Commons - > Attribution License.” (https://software-carpentry.org/lessons/) > >> and > >> "All Software Carpentry instructional material is made available under > the Creative Commons Attribution license." ( > https://software-carpentry.org/license/) > >> > >> Including non CC-BY content (even clearly labelled) would go against > these statements in my opinion. > >> > >> It’s also worth considering the downsides of including content with > more restrictive licensing - it would make it more difficult for others to > re-use the Carpentries content because they would need to ensure they > checked and tracked materials licensed under anything other than CC-BY. It > could add an overhead to lesson maintainance. > >> > >> > >> Related to the question above: Has anyone ever worked with other people > in adopting their materials and relicensing under CC-BY? What experience > that you can share? Are people generally willing to accept such a request? > >> > >> I can only speak as someone who has produced and licensed materials > under CC-BY - and my approach is always that I love to see use of the > materials I produce, especially if they are appropriately attributed! I’ve > currently having a discussion about using some material I’ve previously > published as CC-BY in a Library Carpentry lesson - so I can say that at > least some producers are very keen on seeing their work re-used widely. > >> > >> I think it is always worth approaching people and asking - the worst > outcome is that they say they aren’t willing to amend their license. > >> > >> > >> Why I am asking these questions here? Things such as figures, tables, > and code snippets can sometimes hard to come by and if we can leverage what > others have made, all the better, rather than us also spending a lot of > time remaking them just because of incompatible license. > >> > >> > >> I understand this - but I see making such materials available under a > CC-BY license as a positive outcome of work on Carpentries material and > well worth the investment of time. If we can take concepts and illustrate > them in a way that can be more widely re-used that seems like a very good > thing. > >> > >> I definitely understand the frustration of finding materials that would > be useful but don’t have compatible licenses - this happens a lot! But > ultimately for me this is about how Carpentries makes materials available > in a way that increases accessibility and use by adopting an Open approach, > and I wouldn’t want to see that change. > >> > >> Owen > >> > > > > > > -- > > Erin Becker > > Associate Director with The Carpentries > > Pronouns: she/her/hers > > Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/ebecker-1 > > The Carpentries / discuss / see discussions + participants + delivery > options Permalink > > ------------------------------------------ > The Carpentries: discuss > Permalink: > https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/Td64229aeb252a027-M78720d3581d48e15252eaa26 > Delivery options: > https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription > -- *Erin Becker* *Associate Director* with The Carpentries <https://carpentries.org/> Pronouns: she/her/hers Schedule a meeting with me: *https://calendly.com/ebecker-1 <https://calendly.com/ebecker-1>* ------------------------------------------ The Carpentries: discuss Permalink: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/Td64229aeb252a027-M19a9ef481feccc678e64695d Delivery options: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription
