agreed.
On 11/29/11 1:50 PM, Nicholas Zivkovic wrote:
Indeed, governance is NOT the answer. Governance historically served
to coordinate large groups of people, because information, ideas, etc.
couldn't be communicated to every member efficiently (or at all). But
these days, we all have networked computers that can send any
information to anyone anywhere at the speed of light. Governance is
not necessary, would induce a bureaucratic overhead to communication,
and would encourage people to talk about problems instead of solving
them.
I was an avid Gentoo user for a few years (before I even heard of
Solaris), and I watched the community crumble and the technology
stagnate as a result of the complexity induced by their (very
elaborate) governance model.
A governance model for Illumos would (very likely) turn potential
coders into talkers that like to philosophize about the technology.
We need engineers, people who are finding solutions instead of whining
about problems.
Besides, DVCSes undermine any formal control a governing body can have
over an open code base anyway. This is probably one of the reasons why
FreeBSD (which has a formal process) is still using a centralized
version control system (last time I checked, at least).
-Nick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Dan McDonald<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 07:11:15AM -0800, Bryan Cantrill wrote:
<SNIP!>
No, no, no, no and no! This is _exactly_ the kind of process/governance
fetish that OpenSolaris developed, and it must be firmly and emphatically
rejected! We do _not_ need to "elect projects" -- we need to experiment
with many different kinds of ideas _by_ _implementing_ _them_.
Before the IETF suffered standards-body bloat, Dave Clark stated a pithy
saying we should take to heart:
We reject kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in rough
consensus, and running code.
Dan
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