Jeff: "Traditional designers hate this way of thinking because presentation is EVERYTHING. Good web designers (and here creeps in my opinion) recognize that it's just part of the game plan. Added function and enhanced presentation are fine if they don't impede the underlying function of the delivery system, but please don't shove 'em down my throat."
I do accept some teams jazz up their UI's with frivolous flash-y wizzbang crap. That is bad practice. However, on the whole the world is heading in a more immersive online experience using -good- design practices. I do agree with you what you've said to an extent, that is for only the most basic interactions, shopping carts, simple forms etc. However, I'm wondering how your views fit with the following 2 genres; a)RIAs, e.g. gmail.com have a html only version but it's kind of limited. I think those that advocate accessibility user rights are doing the them a disservice in mandating this 2nd class experience. Its my understanding that gmail.com proper is accessible, are keyboard shortcuts not useful for people with motor limitations? b)Sites like Pandora, which it could be argued is useful for vision limitations. First, they cant present a basic html version as that would allow the content to be ripped and therefore the site loses its license. Or, try youtube with js turned off. Now Pandora is far from being high contrast, has small pokey buttons and no keyboard shortcuts (I think) so - that should be addressed. Not some blanket statement that bans all js & flash. I think the analogy of the little dutch boy with his finger in the dam is apt here. Now, I'm not sure what the answer is going forward, I appreciate the argument and fwiw I spend the majority of my time outside of my professional design role working with and advocating for people of all abilities. However, as a techonolgist I just dont believe holding on to the what we everything we learned in web1.0 is really a workable option frankly. We should have a hand at the tiler guiding the direction, advocating best practices for js, flash, Expression, Air, etc One final thing, I asked Lucy and I'll ask you now.. you said "I'll add: People who use screen readers and other assistive technologies have no choice in the matter, so they aren't turning off scripts just to deny you your God-given right to deliver your brilliant Design." Show me the stats on browsers with js swtiched off. I know they must be out there - but I cant find them... and only when I see the numbers will I buy the argument. Readers and js -do not- have to be mutually exclusive from what I've read. Thanks - pauric p.s. The 'firewall' argument, http://tinyurl.com/yhcr7o , is -completely- bogus. I've been building corporate networks for 12 years and designed a number of firewall UIs. This limitation is purely down to dumbass lazy network admins BOFH's (as Will put it). If you cant access blogger from your place of work - talk to the admin and get the site whitelisted, if they refuse then you're really facing work-practice politics, not true concerns over blogger.com injecting malicious js code in to your corporate network. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://gamma.ixda.org/discuss?post=23821 ________________________________________________________________ *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ ________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ....... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
