On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:44 AM, dave malouf wrote:

Wow! it's 2003 all over again. Tog's original post that inspired
this organization called on us to be "architects". our entire first
6 months of discussions on this list was about why we are designers
and not architects. ;-)

I refuse to repeat 6 months of ideas that I feel haven't changed and
I think Seth's look at this is as a non-designer looking in and
doesn't really understand that there is a long and important legacy
connecting our work to design and not to architecture, a term which
actually has been coopted adn ruined by engineering and other
technologist, who have taken a sub-discipline of design and have
created a bastardization to help make themselves feel more
self-important with actually adding little or no further value.

Now I understand that the people see design as "look & feel", but
it is a worthy and important goal for us to evangelize a much more
accurate and broader and historical vision of design as being so much
more.

Just a thought:

Are those first 6 months of ideas documented anywhere so those who are new to the field can have the benefit of the thinking behind it?

Otherwise we're doomed to revisit this over and over and over and over and over....

Jared


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