Yep, I accept that, its the old story isn't it really, if you really
want to learn something then the tools are there for you to learn it.
On 02/09/2007, at 10:40 AM, Larry Wanger wrote:
Hey James:
I wanted to let you know that I largely agree with your comments
here. Once familiar with the layout of a site one can use little
tricks like going to the link nearest the body of the page by using
the links finder. However, having to interact with everything is
tough. I'm a pure Mac user; don't have Fusion running Windows even
though I could. I left Windows for a reason! Further, my council
to anyone in the blind community who is considering a Mac is that
unless you're ready for a learning curve and a painful web
experience, they don't want to switch. Apple needs to make some
progress. Is the Mac accessible? Absolutely! But, it ain't easy
and we shouldn't kid ourselves about that. It does a disservice to
new users, potential users and to our future as Apple may conclude
things are good when they aren't.
On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:42 PM, James Jolley wrote:
Hi folks,
It certainly comes to something when a user can't be honest about
what works for them. What is it about some people on this list?
They think because they have a mac, they rule? In regards to Anne's
comments about me pontificating on the mac, she was rather unfair.
I did use a mac with outspoken for a time and found that equally
irritating. The only reason why I mentioned the issues with Safari
were due to the fact that many others have had similar problems and
I figured that these may be addressed in a future update to either
MacOs or VO.
I still stick by my viewpoint, VO is a screen reader in the
traditional sense, productivity with it is significantly slowed by
the need to navigate constantly. There is little intelligence in
the screen reader to detect specific details, the fact that we have
to interact with everything slows us down for a start. Any
respectible screen reader has the ability to work with the current
control with ease and not expect the user to jump through hoops to
interact with it.
Also, the fact that one has no method of true web-page navigation
as with real screen readers. The lack of ability to interact with
some pages is irritating. Some of the gaming sights I visit are
quite difficult and I tend to use Windows just for a quiet life.
As I said, if the mac is so perfect for blind people, what are we
running windows with fusion or whatever on it for?
Best
-James-
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