Hi everybody, To show you how good Alex is, I just spent four hours listening to the VO manual. There were times that I forgot that it was Alex that I was listening to. That just goes to show how good the Alex voice really is.
Chris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2007, at 12:00 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you using Leopard Mail? I hear interact with message >>>>>>>>>>> table, then I press VO J and get a bong. I stop >>>>>>>>>>> interacting with the table and hear stop interacting with >>>>>>>>>>> message table and press VO J and again nothing happens but >>>>>>>>>>> the bong. I press enter on the message and it speaks, then >>>>>>>>>>> I press VO J and get the bong again. I have to either >>>>>>>>>>> delete the message or close the Window in order to get the >>>>>>>>>>> response you are getting. >>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:happens Try >>>>>>>>>>> interacting with your message table. find a message you >>>>>>>>>>> want to read, using your up / down arrow keys. Once >>>>>>>>>>> you're on the message, press VO J. You should then >>>>>>>>>>> immediately be taken to the msg body and it should begin >>>>>>>>>>> reading. When you've heard enough, simply press VO J >>>>>>>>>>> again and you should then be returned to the msg table >>>>>>>>>>> where you were... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Smiles, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> C-Quinn :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:29 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is VO J supposed to do? I have tried this key >>>>>>>>>>>>> combination in every instance of mail and all I get is >>>>>>>>>>>>> the bong sound each time. I can interact, not interact, >>>>>>>>>>>>> be in a message or not and this key combination doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> work anywhere. I think my computer is broke. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:14 PM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to concur with cara here. It takes a bit of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting used to and I do things a bit differently in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I tab instead of vo j, but it is fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew, I personally interact with the message table, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use VO right / left arrows to navigate to the subject >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or sender column, and then simply use standard up / >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down arrows to quickly scroll through the message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. To read a particular note, I use VO j and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO j back out of it to get back to where I was in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message list... Does this make sense?... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can go very quickly through lots of email this way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I want to delete a message, I use the delete key in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the message list and not in the message body itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found that using the del key in the message body >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the message list to lose focus, so that I need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to interact with it again, whereas if I VO j out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the message after I've read it, I'm still focused in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the message list... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smiles, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cara :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok. What about the message list - this is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading issue, as it takes ages before the message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject is read out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of David Poehlman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 01 November 2007 19:58 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: General discussions on all topics relating to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use of Mac OS X by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theblind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Upgrade to Leopard - annoying feature in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to interact with the message to read it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either press enter, vo-j or tab to read it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I upgraded to Leopard yesterday, I like the new voice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have though an annoying feature in Mail, in that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrowing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the list of messages, it is reading various >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status indicators, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I just want the message subject (and possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date) read out. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed to get rid of some of the information by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing some of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> columns from the view, but has anyone got any tips >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on getting this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it was before? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other thing in Mail is that reading via the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cursor is irratic - it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works quite a bit of the time, but for no reason, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reads out the complete message, and the arrow keys >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no effect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did clean reinstall - copied all user settings to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external storage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hands-on Technolog(eye)s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reducing technologies disabilities >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one byte at a time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hands-on Technolog(eye)s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reducing technologies disabilities >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one byte at a time >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed >>>>>>>>>> with his >>>>>>>>>> Hands-on Technolog(eye)s >>>>>>>>>> reducing technologies disabilities >>>>>>>>>> one byte at a time >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed >>>>>>>> with his >>>>>>>> Hands-on Technolog(eye)s >>>>>>>> reducing technologies disabilities >>>>>>>> one byte at a time >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marshall F. scott >>>>>> University of Utah - CVRTI >>>>>> 95 South 2000 East >>>>>> Salt Lake City, UT 84112 >>>>>> Phone: (801) 587-9523 >>>>>> Fax: (801) 581-3128 >>>>>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Skype: scott9576a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Marshall F. scott >>>> University of Utah - CVRTI >>>> 95 South 2000 East >>>> Salt Lake City, UT 84112 >>>> Phone: (801) 587-9523 >>>> Fax: (801) 581-3128 >>>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Skype: scott9576a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> Marshall F. scott >> University of Utah - CVRTI >> 95 South 2000 East >> Salt Lake City, UT 84112 >> Phone: (801) 587-9523 >> Fax: (801) 581-3128 >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype: scott9576a >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Jonnie Appleseed > with his > Hands-on Technolog(eye)s > reducing technologies disabilities > one byte at a time > > >
