The one thing I learned from that experience, to try those steps Esther outlined; Leopard has audible cues that will indicate when VoiceOver is turned on, given all things have been tried. Thanks again, Esther. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
On Dec 12, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Esther wrote:

Dear Simon,

Is it possible that you pressed FN+num lock by mistake?  The most
likely things are: (1) you don't have the volume up high enough to
hear the VoiceOver voice  or (2) you accidentally managed to
press the num lock (F6) key so that your keyboard is not  sending
the characters you expect.  (Item 2 happened to Richie Gardenhire,
and is a particular problem to be aware of if you press keys while
VoiceOver is not running).

If you switched hardware and software functions for the Function
keys. I think you need to press FN+F6 to toggle the num lock.

I'm sure there is no problem with your VoiceOver install.  I think
it is one of the two problems I mentioned above. Make sure you
(now) use FN+F5 to put your MacBook at maximum speaker
volume before you try anything else.

Cheers,

Esther


On Dec 12, 2007, at 02:10PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
Dear Esther,

Tried it all to no avail. Before installing Leopard, I had changed the keyboard setting to desktop to avoid having to press the FN key all the time, and that setting seems to have been kept by leopard. I know that because when I press FN with the functions keys, I hear various funny noises which I recgonise as changing volume or brightness. I've tried hitting the f6 key but I don't know now whether it's on or off. I've tried various
combinations and VO is still silent. Does it sound serious to you?

Simon
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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: SOS: can't get mu VO to work after upgrading to Leopard


Hi Simon,

Remember that on a Macbook you need to hold down the FN key as well as the Command and F5 keys to get VoiceOver to start up. You may also want
to hold down the F5 key on the Macbook for a while before turning on
VoiceOver, since I think it's the hardware Volume up key on the Macbook.
(The top row should be Escape, F1, F2, F3, F4, F5. )

The other possible gotcha if your VoiceOver was not turned on before your friend left is that you hit the F6 (num lock) key on the keyboard instead
of
F5. If so, try to press F6 again to toggle num lock off, and issue your
command
of FN+Command+F5 to turn on VoiceOver.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Esther


On Wed December 12, 2007, at 01:42PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
Dear All,

I've just installed Leopard on my new Macbook. it turned out that it came with Tiger installed, and leopard on a CD. So I've just had it installed with sighted assistance, as I'm not that experienced in VO yet. All went smoothly and my friend has gone now. But when I tried to get my VO to start with the usual combination of keys Command+f5 so that i could use my Macbook, nothing happens. Does anyone know what might have happened? This
command worked perfectly well in tiger.

S O S from desperate simon!










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