Dear Simon, On Dec 13, 2007, at 01:27AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >Dear Esther, > >Do you think that after the installation as I described it, I may be being >presented with some kind of a welcome screen or option screen whichp >prevents me from using vo commands? Is there a login screen that comes up >first? What's single userr mode? > >Simon
Let me ask you, if your installation of Leopard was completed, I assume that your friend left you with your machine running and in your account? Otherwise you could not tell that the volume and other hardware keys were working. If your installation is as you described, you could either have been left at the login screen, or with your system already logged on. Before your Leopard Upgrade did you need to enter a password to enter your system once you powered on your computer? If so, and you were left in the login screen, then you may need to enter your user name and password. David, and others. I don't remember. If VoiceOver was turned off before, and not turned on at boot up, does Simon have to log into his account first before he can activate VoiceOver? Simon, single user mode is one of various options for restarting the system from the CD. I don't think you need to use it here. I was asking the others whether in this mode, we could start VoiceOver using system default values, since then we would know how to begin. Apparently, the answer is that it is not clear this would help here. Cheers, Esther >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by >theblind" <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:19 AM >Subject: Re: SOS: can't get mu VO to work after upgrading to Leopard > > >> Hi David and Simon, >> >> I think that Simon's situation is as he described yesterday --- a Leopard >> install was done by a sighted friend, but VoiceOver was turned off while >> this was performed, and he hasn't been able to bring it up. >> >> Additionally, there was some confusion on our part that he was not >> using the FN key to turn on VoiceOver on his Macbook. But this was >> because he had checked the Systems Preference Box to use Software >> settings for the function keys by default, and made this change before >> the update. >> >> Richie was, I think, trying to respond to my question about whether there >> was an easy way to get VoiceOver started at boot time --- perhaps by >> using the install disk (not to install, but to override) and boot into >> single user mode with default settings. Do you know whether we have >> some option like this? >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Dec 13, 2007, at 01:09AM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>What install path did you take? If you upgraded unless you are hanging on >>>some screen, you should have gotten vo to talk by now. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Simon Cavendish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby >>>theblind" <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:21 AM >>>Subject: Re: SOS: can't get mu VO to work after upgrading to Leopard >>> >>> >>>Dear Esther, >>> >>>I hear no boing sound when pressing fn+f6. The only fundction keys that >>>produce a sound is f9 f10 and f11 without pressing the fn key and f11 will >>>produce a boing sound with or without pressing the fn key. >>> >>>I've tried starting vo presentation by presssing control+option+shift f8 >>>but >>>that hasn't started anything either. I've tried messing about with the >>>control+option+command left/right arrow and then arrow up but to no avail. >>> >>>I still haven't been able to find anybody who could look at the screen for >>>me. A friend promised he might be able to call later on this afternoon if >>>I >>>haven't resolved the issue. I'm sorry to be such a bore. I've been using >>>computers for over 10 years, and here I am feeling like a silly child. >>>Bear >>>with me, guys. >>> >>>Simon >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by >>>theblind" <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:07 AM >>>Subject: Re: SOS: can't get mu VO to work after upgrading to Leopard >>> >>> >>>> Dear Simon, >>>> >>>> Let's assume that you have a working VoiceOver installation, and >>>> that your Function keys are turned on to use software function instead >>>> of hardware function. If your volume is turned up (from pressing >>>> FN + F5) then when you press F6 you should hear a kind >>>> of "boing" sound (I think they call it "funk"). Press FN+F6 once. >>>> You should not hear any sounds at all. Now try pressing Command >>>> and F5. Does VoiceOver come on? If not, press FN+F6 a second >>>> time and try Command + F5 again. >>>> >>>> The "funk" sound occurs whether or not you have VoiceOver running. >>>> Please believe that it is unlikely you could have done anything to >>>> the VoiceOver installation. It's just a question of getting it properly >>>> started. And nothing that you've done isn't something someone >>>> else hasn't already had problems with already. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2007, at 02:31PM, "Richie Gardenhire" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>The one thing I learned from that experience, to try those steps >>>>>Esther outlined; Leopard has audible cues that will indicate when >>>>>VoiceOver is turned on, given all things have been tried. Thanks >>>>>again, Esther. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. >>>>>On Dec 12, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Esther wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Simon, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it possible that you pressed FN+num lock by mistake? The most >>>>>> likely things are: (1) you don't have the volume up high enough to >>>>>> hear the VoiceOver voice or (2) you accidentally managed to >>>>>> press the num lock (F6) key so that your keyboard is not sending >>>>>> the characters you expect. (Item 2 happened to Richie Gardenhire, >>>>>> and is a particular problem to be aware of if you press keys while >>>>>> VoiceOver is not running). >>>>>> >>>>>> If you switched hardware and software functions for the Function >>>>>> keys. I think you need to press FN+F6 to toggle the num lock. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure there is no problem with your VoiceOver install. I think >>>>>> it is one of the two problems I mentioned above. Make sure you >>>>>> (now) use FN+F5 to put your MacBook at maximum speaker >>>>>> volume before you try anything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Esther >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 12, 2007, at 02:10PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Esther, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tried it all to no avail. Before installing Leopard, I had changed >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> keyboard setting to desktop to avoid having to press the FN key all >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> time, and that setting seems to have been kept by leopard. I know >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> because when I press FN with the functions keys, I hear various >>>>>>> funny noises >>>>>>> which I recgonise as changing volume or brightness. I've tried >>>>>>> hitting the >>>>>>> f6 key but I don't know now whether it's on or off. I've tried >>>>>>> various >>>>>>> combinations and VO is still silent. Does it sound serious to you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>>>>> OS X by >>>>>>> theblind" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:54 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: SOS: can't get mu VO to work after upgrading to Leopard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Simon, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Remember that on a Macbook you need to hold down the FN key as >>>>>>>> well as >>>>>>>> the Command and F5 keys to get VoiceOver to start up. You may >>>>>>>> also want >>>>>>>> to hold down the F5 key on the Macbook for a while before turning on >>>>>>>> VoiceOver, since I think it's the hardware Volume up key on the >>>>>>>> Macbook. >>>>>>>> (The top row should be Escape, F1, F2, F3, F4, F5. ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other possible gotcha if your VoiceOver was not turned on >>>>>>>> before your >>>>>>>> friend left is that you hit the F6 (num lock) key on the keyboard >>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> F5. If so, try to press F6 again to toggle num lock off, and >>>>>>>> issue your >>>>>>>> command >>>>>>>> of FN+Command+F5 to turn on VoiceOver. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Esther >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed December 12, 2007, at 01:42PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've just installed Leopard on my new Macbook. it turned out that >>>>>>>>> it came >>>>>>>>> with Tiger installed, and leopard on a CD. So I've just had it >>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>> with sighted assistance, as I'm not that experienced in VO yet. >>>>>>>>> All went >>>>>>>>> smoothly and my friend has gone now. But when I tried to get my >>>>>>>>> VO to >>>>>>>>> start with the usual combination of keys Command+f5 so that i >>>>>>>>> could use my >>>>>>>>> Macbook, nothing happens. Does anyone know what might have >>>>>>>>> happened? This >>>>>>>>> command worked perfectly well in tiger. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> S O S from desperate simon! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > >
