Josh I didn't assume anything. Asides from the beta on Tiger that
appears to be very private the only access you guys have is Outspoken
which is outdated and Mac OS 9 which is 5 or 6 releases from Leopard.
I don't care about the money issue because my debit card works just
fine. To bring a end to this I want to know from you if I can use the
copy I purchased for my son or not. If so just say that and move on if
not then when. If no one on this list can answer that then allow me to
try something different. I haven't done anything counter productive if
anything I have produced results. If you care to hear about the
results ask Verizon how many blind people they now employ because of
my efforts. Blind people earning a living not waiting on a hand out.
What exactly is the current state of accessibility in Pro Tools for
Tiger. That is the question, now what is the answer? Not my grammer or
anything else just the facts.
On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
Shaun,
Your tone in this thread has been, by at large, rather hostile, and
I hope it is not indicative of how you conduct yourself toward these
companies in the name of advocasy. Like your message to Slau,
you're assuming an awful lot about me that is simply false. I've
worked in the adaptive tech industry in a variety of different
capacities for over a decade. I've never been one to "sit and wait
for accessibility to fall in my lap". I simply feel that your
method of obtaining access is destructive.
I've acknowledged Apple's shortfalls as well as commended them on
their successes. Apple is, however, not the topic of this thread.
It is Pro Tools and DigiDesign. Regardless of the company involved,
I stand by my assessment that your methods are flawed and counter-
productive.
The government takes our tax money. I think they do owe us things
like accessible money and such. They are working for us. Where you
and I differ, is that you seem to think that private organizations
and companies owe you everything, and it was due yesterday.
Snapping your fingers and expecting companies to not only jump, but
ask how high is a childish frame of mind, and in the long run hurts
us all.
Josh de Lioncourt
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On 9 Jan, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Shaun Jones wrote:
Like what? If you stand around and say you are waiting on
accessibility to fall in your lap you will wait a lifetime. If you
are embarrassed then grow up, be a man and stand up for yourself
and your people. When you told me that the only contact for Apple
accessibility was a e-mail address I immediately began working on a
better way. I don't wait for Apple to put accessibility in a
product I find the problem and suggest results. As long as someone
says Apple is the best you have no problem, but the minute someone
talks about change you bow down and accept it. Your government
doesn't owe you a thing, you have to go and get it. As a man I
resent that comment, but as a person who was once in your frame of
mind I understand.
On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
The sue-happy tendency of minority groups and organizations
representing said groups, is a real tragedy in the US. I say that
as a totally blind US citizen.
Not every product will be accessible to the blind, and not every
product that will one day be accessible to the blind be made so as
quickly as we'd like. The key is to work with companies, give
them positive feedback, and offer help. Strong arming makes us
all look bad. This is exactly why I dislike groups like the ACB,
NFB, and AFB.
Accessibility should not be forced into companies. It should be
encouraged and fostered by those who need it.
As a software developer, I can understand much better than some of
you here the difficulties faced by DigiDesign. Shaun, you are
ignoring the key facts in that situation. DigiDesign gave blind
Mac users access for a decade. Things only slowed when Mac itself
no longer had a screen reader. Now that it does, they're working
on it again.
This has been one of the most depressing threads I've seen on this
list in a long time. It has furthered my embarrassment for the
blind community as a whole.
To Apple or any other developers or manufacturers who may be
reading this....we're not all like this.
Josh de Lioncourt
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