Hi Jacob and Tiffanitsa,
I'm not sure that the numpad is available on new MacBooks with the
fn key combination, so this option depends on the age of the
MacBook.
The newer MacBooks -- from December and January onwards --
don't have the ability to turn on the num lock key with F6 nor do
they
have the ability to get to numpad with the fn keys.
Jacob wrote:
Hi
The numpad is available by using the fn key in combination with the
right half of the keyboard, the layout is similar to what you'd
find
on most PC laptops. I don't know if the greek keyboard has a latin
modifier, it probably doesn't but it was just an idea.
Here's a quote from the thread on numpad commander on a notebook:
On 24-Feb-08, at 4:10 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
what if yo press fn with one of the keys?
Hi David,
Here goes:
jkluio789
It's just not there anymore.
Later...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: numpad commander on a notebook:
Hi David,
You said: if you don't have a full keyboard for your laptop, you can
still experience
numpad commander with I believe the fn key. Interestingly, it might
evenoffer some uses for notebook users that provide creative ways to
work.
TK: The NumPad functionality appears to have been eliminated from
the
latest MacBook line. I purchased this one in December and there is
no
"Num-Lock" at the F6 key and if I press fn-jkl or fn-uio and such, I
simply get the letters.
Later...
<snip>
There was an article in the January Ars Technica titled:
"MacBook numeric keypad, Num Lock going the way of the dodo"
January 09, 2008
they state:
<begin selected quote>
One "feature" of the new Apple Wireless Keyboard that people noticed
quickly is the lack of the familiar numeric keypad and associated
Num
Lock key. A lot of users liked the change, but of course some
weren't so
happy, mourning the loss of the spare set of numbers. But like it or
not,
the numeric keypad isn't coming back. In fact, the Num Lock key and
its
ilk may be disappearing from even more Apple products, according
to a
recent piece by the New York Times' David Pogue.
One of Pogue's readers e-mailed him to say that their recently-
ordered MacBook
had arrived sans Num Lock-enabled
numeric keypad. After checking with Apple's PR department, Pogue
confirmed that
the MacBook has indeed lost its
numeric keypad and Num Lock key for good. The reason? Those shiny
new Apple
Wireless Keyboards, of course. More
specifically, Apple apparently wanted to standardize the appearance
of the two
products, necessitating the keypad's
removal.
<end selected quote>
Sorry about this,
Esther
On Mar 31, 2008, at 3:58 AM, Tiffany D wrote:
Aa, thank Hermes, that worked. You're a genius! I wish I could
learn
all these quick shortcuts. it would save me a lot of headaches. As
for the numpad commander, I'm using a Macbook. So would that even
be
available? As for a Latin modifier, I've never heard of one.
On 3/30/08, Jacob Schmude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi
Well, we just can't win. The reason VO commands won't work is
that
they adapt themselves to the keyboard layout. However, if I
understand
things correctly, the greek keyboard layout doesn't have any
latin
letters on it. Is there a modifier or something that will
temporarily
revert to the Latin alphabet, as that's what voiceover is
expecting?
To switch back, go to the status menu with ctrl+f8 (built-in os x
shortcut) and use the same text input menu again.
Back on 10.4 a lot of users complained that VO did not map itself
onto
new keyboard layouts. Now that it does, we're seeing the other
side
of
the coin, I guess.
My suggestion would be to map the keys you need to the numpad
commander, as I don't believe that is affected by the keyboard
change.
Pretty much all the VO commands can be mapped this way, and you'd
be
able to use them then. Not the ideal solution, but as Apple has
not
internationalized Voiceover at this point I'm not sure what
else to
suggest. The only non-latin keyboard layouts I've ever worked
with
were Japanese, and they have a very quick way to switch back to
the
Latin alphabet when needed.
On Mar 30, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Tiffany D wrote:
It definitely helped, but now, I can't get it back to english!
I'm
using a windows machine and am seriously considering switching
back to
windows if I can't solve this problem by creating a macros or
something. I need a multilingual machine and this isn't cutting
it.
I can't use any of the VO commands because they won't work with
the
Greek keyboard layout. I tried hitting the off button and then
turning it on again, hoping that it wouldn't save my settings,
but
it
did. So how do I fix this? Microsoft got this one right with alt
shift as a default to change this, no matter where you are.
Btw, I
actually can use command w and command q, jut not anything else.
On 3/30/08, Jacob Schmude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi
The status menu is vo+m twice, it's where your battery, clock,
and
other things show up. Pressing vo+space on the checkbox for me
says
checked, but doesn't actually check the box. You need to use vo
+cmd
+f5, then vo+shift+space to click the box.
hth
On Mar 30, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Tiffany D wrote:
Ok, I'm not sure what you meant about the mouse and when I
tried
vo
shift space, it didn't work. I just looked at the options and
hit vo
space and it said the box was checked. But where do I find
this
status menu? Also, is there a quick hotkey to do this?
Thanks,
Tiffanitsa
On 3/30/08, Jacob Schmude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi
To add any keyboard, go to system preferences, then
international.
Select the input menu tab, and check the keyboards you want
(there's a
lot of them). Note that I had to route the mouse to the "on"
checkbox
immediately to the left of each keyboard name and do vo+shift
+space
to
actually click on the checkbox.
Once you've got more than one keyboard enabled, an icon will
appear
on
your status menu called "text input." This is a pulldown menu
from
which you can select any of the keyboards you have enabled.
hth
On Mar 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Tiffany D wrote:
Geia sas,
Can anyone please tell me how to add the Greek keyboard to
the
Macbook? I know how to do this in Windows, but have never
attempted
it in Leopard and don't want to wind up changing the whole
system to
Greek. *smile* Also, how to I switch between keyboard
languages?
thanks,
Tiffanitsa
