So what ideas would you discuss, besides asking them to come up with a
solution? You don't think there are Apple people lurking on this list?
How exactly would you suggest interacting with an iPhone where any pixel
anywhere could be text or an interactive UI element? I'm guessing the
ideal solution would not require an external device. When I went to
Apple's presentation at CSUN (http://www.csun.edu/cod/conf/) earlier
this year they emphasized that in a room full of Macs there is no longer
a "special" computer for blind users. Also, with the on-screen visuals a
sighted user can see what the blind user is doing. These are subtle but
important design philosophies which do not exist on other platforms.
Everybody can work together on an equal basis and there is no "separate
but equal" computing. So an accessible iPhone should strive to adhere to
this same philosophy. You shouldn't need to order the special accessible
version of an iPhone or download/install an accessibility layer. It
should just be in there out of the box.
CB
Janet and Felix * wrote:
Felix says, arrange a tour of the facility. For a bunch of blind people. And
then ask if (we) can sit down and talk to the research/development team leader
to discuss ideas for better accessibility.
We live about 70 miles north of Cupertino.
Just brainstorming.
janet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:33:14 -0400
Sure. Cupertino, here I come. LOL. :) I have to go up to the bay area
in October, so how about it? :)
I wish there was a way we could all camp out, but somehow I doubt it
would be effective.
On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Mike's Western Account wrote:
hey lets camp out side apple's hq untel something's done more with
there media devises, lol
On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account" >>>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
OS X by theblind"
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
i think that we just need to go to apple and make things get
done;) lol
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
speaking of IPods, why can't they put some form of speech like
voiceover into IPods. I mean come on, if it could be done with
Rockbox, then, surely Apple could do it with their own product.
Why should it be our! burden.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" >>>>>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
OS Xby theblind"
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
Hi CB, there are two ways this could be done. Apple could
engineer an ui
and back it with vo or a 3rd party could develop an app that
talks. there
is a hardware device for the IPod called ITel I think that
achieves at least
part of this for the IPod.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Blouch"
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS X by
theblind"
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening
So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone accessible?
Obviously
it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? There is no
tactile
UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen kiosk and some have
simple
instructions saying to touch the top left for yes or top right
for no.
That kind of interaction model doesn't scale very well for complex
interaction like typing an email . Not making excuses for Apple
but this
seems like a tough nut to crack.
CB
Krister Ekstrom wrote:
22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan:
I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was calling
about another issue and was told that apple would "look into
it" This
was in June, and appparently nothing has been resolved as of
now.
But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone
business going
on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been like
this
that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over
functionality and
accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that we have such a
well
functioning screen reader as we have.
With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question should be
usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If we
get
angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners and
complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to happen.
/Krister
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