23 jul 2008 kl. 13.09 skrev David Poehlman:
it would be cool if the group could sit down with the accessibility
team.
Yes and also with their bosses. And if we did hands-on demonstrations,
both of what worked and what didn't, then the people just might
understand the problems we are facing.
/Krister
----- Original Message -----
From: "Krister Ekstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
Xby
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
Another idea might be that some very knowledgeable people who really
know their VO and possibly other products would demonstrate what blind
people actually could do with a Mac and ask for some sort of
cooperation to help solve the problems that are there. Does it make
sence?
/Krister
23 jul 2008 kl. 00.08 skrev David Poehlman:
apple might actually be willing to host.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet and Felix *" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
I live in a dinky little apartment! But something could be arranged
somehow!
I did a map directions search from our place to the facility. It is
just
over 71 miles, and 1 hour 25 minutes travel time driving, one way.
Because
of driving through the city.
So I'm not sure we're the most convenient of locations. We do have
friends
who live closer to Cupertino who might be willing to allow us to use
their
house as a base. We'd have to do some checking.
janet
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:01:58 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
To: [email protected]
and can we use your house as a base?
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote:
Felix says, arrange a tour of the facility. For a bunch of blind
people. And then ask if (we) can sit down and talk to the
research/
development team leader to discuss ideas for better accessibility.
We live about 70 miles north of Cupertino.
Just brainstorming.
janet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange
happening
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:33:14 -0400
Sure. Cupertino, here I come. LOL. :) I have to go up to the bay
area
in October, so how about it? :)
I wish there was a way we could all camp out, but somehow I doubt
it
would be effective.
On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Mike's Western Account wrote:
hey lets camp out side apple's hq untel something's done more
with
there media devises, lol
On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account">>>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac
OS X by theblind"
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange
happening
i think that we just need to go to apple and make things get
done;) lol
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
speaking of IPods, why can't they put some form of speech like
voiceover into IPods. I mean come on, if it could be done
with
Rockbox, then, surely Apple could do it with their own
product.
Why should it be our! burden.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman">>>>>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac
OS Xby theblind"
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange
happening
Hi CB, there are two ways this could be done. Apple could
engineer an ui
and back it with vo or a 3rd party could develop an app that
talks. there
is a hardware device for the IPod called ITel I think that
achieves at least
part of this for the IPod.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Blouch"
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS X by
theblind"
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening
So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone accessible?
Obviously
it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? There is
no
tactile
UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen kiosk and some
have
simple
instructions saying to touch the top left for yes or top
right
for no.
That kind of interaction model doesn't scale very well for
complex
interaction like typing an email . Not making excuses for
Apple
but this
seems like a tough nut to crack.
CB
Krister Ekstrom wrote:
22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan:
I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was
calling
about another issue and was told that apple would "look
into
it" This
was in June, and appparently nothing has been resolved as
of
now.
But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone
business going
on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been
like
this
that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over
functionality and
accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that we have
such a
well
functioning screen reader as we have.
With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question
should be
usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If
we
get
angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners and
complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to
happen.
/Krister
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