I agree with what you have said here. Was going to go to Csun and
check it out, but I got tied up with other things. I would like to try
and make it next year and hear apple's presentation myself. What they
said in terms of macs is absolutely true, and it is so liberating to
be able to use any mac to do things.
Something similar for the iphone would be ideal, though not sure how
it would be achieved.
Olivia
On Jul 23, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
So what ideas would you discuss, besides asking them to come up with
a solution? You don't think there are Apple people lurking on this
list? How exactly would you suggest interacting with an iPhone where
any pixel anywhere could be text or an interactive UI element? I'm
guessing the ideal solution would not require an external device.
When I went to Apple's presentation at CSUN (http://www.csun.edu/cod/conf/
) earlier this year they emphasized that in a room full of Macs
there is no longer a "special" computer for blind users. Also, with
the on-screen visuals a sighted user can see what the blind user is
doing. These are subtle but important design philosophies which do
not exist on other platforms. Everybody can work together on an
equal basis and there is no "separate but equal" computing. So an
accessible iPhone should strive to adhere to this same philosophy.
You shouldn't need to order the special accessible version of an
iPhone or download/install an accessibility layer. It should just be
in there out of the box.
CB
Janet and Felix * wrote:
Felix says, arrange a tour of the facility. For a bunch of blind
people. And then ask if (we) can sit down and talk to the research/
development team leader to discuss ideas for better accessibility.
We live about 70 miles north of Cupertino.
Just brainstorming.
janet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:33:14 -0400
Sure. Cupertino, here I come. LOL. :) I have to go up to the bay
area in October, so how about it? :)
I wish there was a way we could all camp out, but somehow I doubt
it would be effective.
On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Mike's Western Account wrote:
hey lets camp out side apple's hq untel something's done more
with there media devises, lol
On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account" >>>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS X by theblind" Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange
happening
i think that we just need to go to apple and make things get
done;) lol
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
speaking of IPods, why can't they put some form of speech
like voiceover into IPods. I mean come on, if it could be
done with Rockbox, then, surely Apple could do it with their
own product.
Why should it be our! burden.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" >>>>>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS Xby theblind" Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
Hi CB, there are two ways this could be done. Apple could
engineer an ui
and back it with vo or a 3rd party could develop an app
that talks. there
is a hardware device for the IPod called ITel I think that
achieves at least
part of this for the IPod.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Blouch"
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use
of Mac OS X by
theblind" Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening
So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone
accessible? Obviously
it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? There is
no tactile
UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen kiosk and some
have simple
instructions saying to touch the top left for yes or top
right for no.
That kind of interaction model doesn't scale very well for
complex
interaction like typing an email . Not making excuses for
Apple but this
seems like a tough nut to crack.
CB
Krister Ekstrom wrote:
22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan:
I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was
calling
about another issue and was told that apple would "look
into it" This
was in June, and appparently nothing has been resolved as
of now.
But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone
business going
on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been
like this
that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over
functionality and
accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that we have such
a well
functioning screen reader as we have.
With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question
should be
usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If
we get
angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners and
complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to happen.
/Krister
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