Re: why won't this read on mac

[Alex Jurgensen]

Hi,

ICE is backing any attempts, with our staff, and services.
Our sites are flash free at the moment because we just can't risk  
losing our Mac Market.

I will be putting together a patition,


Thanks for listening,
Alex,


On 21-Oct-08, at 10:40 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

The situation hasn't changed. Frankly, I don't see NFB getting  
involved in flash accessibility for Mac, the only reason they really  
bothered with iTunes was that it was pretty much inaccessible on  
Windows. Most of them didn't even know it was 95% accessible on the  
Mac already before iTunes 8 and those who did know seemed to pretend  
not to. Seeing as how Adobe can claim that they've done their part  
on Windows (whether they have or not isn't the point, but they can  
say they have) they'll probably end up being left alone by the major  
organizations. Not that Adobe is particularly committed to  
accessibility, if they were they'd remove the option in Adobe  
Acrobat that allows PDFs to be rendered unreadable by most screen  
readers, as far as I know that option is still there and still  
works. And do remember that the work on Flash accessibility was done  
by Macromedia before Adobe bought them. The only way we're going to  
get equal flash access is to raise some serious racket. Aside from  
writing to Adobe and Apple, where else should we all shout?


On Oct 21, 2008, at 10:06, David Poehlman wrote:

Hi C B,

They do not mention mac accessibility at all as far as I know.

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Subject: Re: why won't this read on mac


Seems like if NFB can get $250K out of Apple for its issues with  
iTunes
accessibility then Adobe should be concerned over its Flash
accessibility. Now I'm not a Flash dev but what I've heard is that  
there
is something you have to enable to add the accessibility stuff, but  
that
option is somewhat buried in the developer UI, is off by default, and
adds some weight to the overall download. Also, like any GUI, the
built-in widgets supposedly have a lot of accessibility (if turned  
on)
but many Flash devs make their own and don't bother. All this said, I
don't believe they have any of this working for the Mac unless  
something
changed with Flash 10.

CB

Cara Quinn wrote:
Jacob, thanks very much for your in-depth note.  I'm wondering, why
on earth would Adobe chide anyone for wanting access to their
products?…  I mean, saying that basically nobody wants Flash  
access on
Mac is a bit over the top, is it not?…  Sighted people whom use
Safari, simply have access to this as a matter of course on a day to
day basis, so something seriously seems amiss here with this kind of
attitude?…

<smile>  Not to play two ends against the middle here, so to speak,
but isn't this the sort of thing that the NFB / ACB should be
interested in?…  I mean, this is a rather largeish corporation
blatantly locking out a segment of the population, is it not?…  -All
be it, a smallish one, but a segment just the same, and based on a
disability, no less.

Sounds like a shameless stereotypical discriminatory act to me…

-Opinions?…

Have a great day!…

Smiles,

Cara  :)
On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

Hi
Well, looking at it realistically, about the only thing we can do  
is
bug the hell out of Adobe until they get sick of us I guess :).
Seriously, Flash is a closed source product, so we can't change it.
Apple can't do it on their own because the flashplayer, which Apple
has no rights to, does not expose any of the flash content--it does
expose that there's a flash object there, reported by an unknown in
recent builds of Webkit, but no content is exposed through it.
Basically, Apple and Adobe might have to work together on this, so
let's bug them relentlessly--both Adobe and Apple--and maybe
something will happen. I'm suggesting bugging Apple as well, since
maybe it will take a big boy like Apple to get Adobe moving as none
of us have had any luck so far and in fact some of us have been
derided for wanting flash accessibility on OS X--derided, I might
add, by Adobe themselves. According to Adobe we should just be  
using
Windows, and no one wants Flash accessibility on the Mac anyway--in
other words, no demand for it. Which doesn't make sense as there's
obviously some demand or we wouldn't be bothering to email them  
about
it.
Either that or cross our fingers that one of the opensource flash
replacements will eventually achieve full compatibility with the
current state of flash... I'm not going to hold my breath on that  
one
though.
Interesting question I was pondering: exactly how much for
accessibility has Adobe done on the windows side? I'm stressing  
Adobe
here, as back when flash was being made accessible it was still  
owned
and developed by Macromedia, and I haven't seen much improvement in
the intervening time since at least not in Flash itself. Completely
unrelated to Flash access on OS X, just a question I was pondering.


On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:30, Cara Quinn wrote:

I was thinking about this again this morning, and there's simply  
got
to be something we can do about this?…

I mean Flash is here, it's going to stay and until the next  
similar
tech in web design shows itself, we're going to be left out in the
cold as Mac / VO / Safari users if something isn't done.  This  
to me
at least, is simply unacceptable.  Something really does need to
change here, and fast.

I absolutely *do not* want to go to Windows so that I can browse
flash content.  There's just no reason for it.

What, in people's opinions can we do about this?…  How can this be
approached / dealt with?…

I for one, absolutely *need* flash access, so just asking sites  
not
to use it is moot.

Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud here in hopes that peeps might
chime in with opinions / ideas and such.

Thanks so much for taking time to read this and I hope you all are
having a wonderful day!

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

Because it's one big blob of Flash.

CB

Will Lomas wrote:
  hi i wonder why this site
http://www.clairescareers.co.uk/

won't read on the mac
again all i get is HTML content no interaction possible even  
when
i trick safari into thinking it is internet explorer




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