Hi Dave
Definitely an interesting idea.
On Oct 21, 2008, at 14:38, David Poehlman wrote:
The only way I can think of to effectively address this issue would
be to
find a site that uses flash that can be proven to be inaccessible o
vo that
part is easy. then we file a class action suite in callifornia or
perhaps
pensylvania or maybe we first hire lady feingold to help us lobby the
developper to make it accessible. we explain that we don't wat the
flash to
go away but that we want the flash to be made accessible. we draw
adobe
into it through the developper seeking assistance from them to do
this but
it has to be a huge site. maybe one of the sites already bitten
would be
willing to take this on through a partnership if enough of us sign on.
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From: "Cara Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: why won't this read on mac
This is exactly my question at this point, if we need to make
ourselves heard, which I truly believe we do now, in regard to this
issue, how might we consider proceeding?… I feel this is really an
important issue as I've said, but I'm just not sure what step to take
next in this regard.
Thanks so far to those who have responded to this.
Have a terrific day!…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Oct 21, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
The situation hasn't changed. Frankly, I don't see NFB getting
involved in flash accessibility for Mac, the only reason they really
bothered with iTunes was that it was pretty much inaccessible on
Windows. Most of them didn't even know it was 95% accessible on the
Mac already before iTunes 8 and those who did know seemed to pretend
not to. Seeing as how Adobe can claim that they've done their part
on Windows (whether they have or not isn't the point, but they can
say they have) they'll probably end up being left alone by the major
organizations. Not that Adobe is particularly committed to
accessibility, if they were they'd remove the option in Adobe
Acrobat that allows PDFs to be rendered unreadable by most screen
readers, as far as I know that option is still there and still
works. And do remember that the work on Flash accessibility was done
by Macromedia before Adobe bought them. The only way we're going to
get equal flash access is to raise some serious racket. Aside from
writing to Adobe and Apple, where else should we all shout?
On Oct 21, 2008, at 10:06, David Poehlman wrote:
Hi C B,
They do not mention mac accessibility at all as far as I know.
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From: "Chris Blouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: why won't this read on mac
Seems like if NFB can get $250K out of Apple for its issues with
iTunes
accessibility then Adobe should be concerned over its Flash
accessibility. Now I'm not a Flash dev but what I've heard is that
there
is something you have to enable to add the accessibility stuff, but
that
option is somewhat buried in the developer UI, is off by default,
and
adds some weight to the overall download. Also, like any GUI, the
built-in widgets supposedly have a lot of accessibility (if turned
on)
but many Flash devs make their own and don't bother. All this
said, I
don't believe they have any of this working for the Mac unless
something
changed with Flash 10.
CB
Cara Quinn wrote:
Jacob, thanks very much for your in-depth note. I'm wondering, why
on earth would Adobe chide anyone for wanting access to their
products?… I mean, saying that basically nobody wants Flash
access on
Mac is a bit over the top, is it not?… Sighted people whom use
Safari, simply have access to this as a matter of course on a day
to
day basis, so something seriously seems amiss here with this kind
of
attitude?…
<smile> Not to play two ends against the middle here, so to speak,
but isn't this the sort of thing that the NFB / ACB should be
interested in?… I mean, this is a rather largeish corporation
blatantly locking out a segment of the population, is it not?… -
All
be it, a smallish one, but a segment just the same, and based on a
disability, no less.
Sounds like a shameless stereotypical discriminatory act to me…
-Opinions?…
Have a great day!…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
Hi
Well, looking at it realistically, about the only thing we can do
is
bug the hell out of Adobe until they get sick of us I guess :).
Seriously, Flash is a closed source product, so we can't change
it.
Apple can't do it on their own because the flashplayer, which
Apple
has no rights to, does not expose any of the flash content--it
does
expose that there's a flash object there, reported by an unknown
in
recent builds of Webkit, but no content is exposed through it.
Basically, Apple and Adobe might have to work together on this, so
let's bug them relentlessly--both Adobe and Apple--and maybe
something will happen. I'm suggesting bugging Apple as well, since
maybe it will take a big boy like Apple to get Adobe moving as
none
of us have had any luck so far and in fact some of us have been
derided for wanting flash accessibility on OS X--derided, I might
add, by Adobe themselves. According to Adobe we should just be
using
Windows, and no one wants Flash accessibility on the Mac anyway--
in
other words, no demand for it. Which doesn't make sense as there's
obviously some demand or we wouldn't be bothering to email them
about
it.
Either that or cross our fingers that one of the opensource flash
replacements will eventually achieve full compatibility with the
current state of flash... I'm not going to hold my breath on that
one
though.
Interesting question I was pondering: exactly how much for
accessibility has Adobe done on the windows side? I'm stressing
Adobe
here, as back when flash was being made accessible it was still
owned
and developed by Macromedia, and I haven't seen much improvement
in
the intervening time since at least not in Flash itself.
Completely
unrelated to Flash access on OS X, just a question I was
pondering.
On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:30, Cara Quinn wrote:
I was thinking about this again this morning, and there's simply
got
to be something we can do about this?…
I mean Flash is here, it's going to stay and until the next
similar
tech in web design shows itself, we're going to be left out in
the
cold as Mac / VO / Safari users if something isn't done. This
to me
at least, is simply unacceptable. Something really does need to
change here, and fast.
I absolutely *do not* want to go to Windows so that I can browse
flash content. There's just no reason for it.
What, in people's opinions can we do about this?… How can this
be
approached / dealt with?…
I for one, absolutely *need* flash access, so just asking sites
not
to use it is moot.
Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud here in hopes that peeps might
chime in with opinions / ideas and such.
Thanks so much for taking time to read this and I hope you all
are
having a wonderful day!
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
Because it's one big blob of Flash.
CB
Will Lomas wrote:
hi i wonder why this site
http://www.clairescareers.co.uk/
won't read on the mac
again all i get is HTML content no interaction possible even
when
i trick safari into thinking it is internet explorer
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