Hi Will, Jacob, and Others,

A useful way to keep up with the Webkit nightly builds is to use NightShift, which you can download from:

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/18700

This will automatically download and update the latest version of Webkit in a fully automatic fashion through their GUI interface. The only change I needed to make to the default settings was to go to preferences and change the Nightly build URL to:

http://nightly.webkit.org/builds/latest/mac

This is not quite a manual update since NightShift checks whether you are up to date.

When you launch Webkit from your apps directory it is just like running Safari, except that many things are fixed! For example, you can use the contextual menu on web links to find the option to download files instead of displaying/playing them in Safari.

Jacob wrote:

One final thing I'd like to see implemented is that it would tell us if images and items are clickable that are not links--in otherwords, elements with onClick and onMouseover functions. These are no problem at the moment if you know they are there, but sometimes you don't know until you try them out.

Yes! On a related point, I noticed that ever since Safari 3.1.2 if I print a web page to PDF the links work in Preview, although they are not labeled in any way. By that I mean that if I have cursor tracking on so that my mouse cursor is at the position of my VoiceOver cursor and I'm reading a web page that I printed (Command-P) and then saved to PDF in the Preview application, then clicking with my trackpad (or with with a mouse if you have one attached, or pressing the "5" key if you have Numpad Commander in Leopard activated with a numeric keypad) brings up the original link that was in the web page. For example, I saved a web page that described download links of books by printing to a PDF file, and when I clicked on what was a download link in the web page, Safari came up and started downloading the book! All the other links worked, too!

About the only thing that I can't use the Webkit nightly builds for is using access keys for the Mail Archive web pages of this list. These hot keys allow me to read and search the secondary archives for this list at:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/

The Webkit builds after early September stopped supporting the Control key prefix for the access key, and mapped this to the VoiceOver Control-Option keys. So if I run an archive search and want to quickly read through threads, or if I'm traveling and want to read the posts to this list on the web, and easily read the next or previous message in a thread, I use Safari instead of Webkit. (These are the current access keys for the Mail Archive link given above. And yes, I have reported this to the Webkit team.)

Control-n (Next) Later message by thread
Control-p (Previous) Earlier message by thread
Control-f (Forward) Later message by date
Control-b (Back) Earlier message by date
Control-i (Index) Chronological index
Control-c (Contents) Thread index

Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 24, 2008, at 4:44 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

Hi Will
www.webkit.org is where you get them, go to get the code then go to the nightly builds. You do have to update them manually. What these builds do is launch your system's Safari--prefs and all--with the newer version of Webkit instead of the systemwide version. So everything is the same except the rendering engine, and you can run it alongside your system's Safari.


On Oct 24, 2008, at 07:37, Will Lomas wrote:

no as i am not sure where to get them and if they auto update or whether i have to keep getting new builds

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