In cases where the page appears blank to Voiceover, the page itself is
loading fine but for whatever reason Voiceover isn't seeing it, as the
Webkit engine is not exposing it. This seems to have been fixed in
recent Webkit builds, though, so next Safari update it should be gone
for good.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 16:16, Mike Arrigo wrote:
I agree about indicating the on click. You can certainly access them
if you know they are there, but some times you don't. One way I can
usually tell is if a word that could be a link is by itself, worst
case, you try it, ad if it's not an on click, nothing happens. I
have also noticed the problem where it will just say html content,
but I have to reload the page to get it to work, does anyone know if
the page is on the screen and voice over just doesn't see it, or is
it not even loading? Table navigation doesn't matter to me, since I
don't use it, even with the windows screen readers. A page summary
might be nice, although you can easily find the number of links by
pressing control+option+u.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
Actually will I have to disagree on these points, I'd just as soon
not have them as I always turn them off anyway. I find that I can
always identify a table by context and, further, that often the
Windows screen readers identify tables where I don't want to know--
tables used for layout for example. I like as little verbosity as
possible to be honest--let me read the information and I'll decide
how to interpret it. Nevertheless for those who do want them these
options should be configurable, but I wouldn't want them forced on
me.
One thing I would like to see is the ability to read longdescs and/
or title tags make it into the systemwide Webkit framework--recent
svn builds of Webkit already have this--as well as integrating the
fix for multi-select list boxes that has been in webkit for about
half a year now. I think the main reason this hasn't been
integrated is that we haven't seen a Safari update since 3.1.2 and
they probably want to make sure everything will work, but that's
just a guess. Another thing that needs to be dealt with which seems
to be fixed in recent Webkit builds is the empty page issue, i.e.
when you navigate to a page and interact with it you just get a
beep as if there's nothing there. Pressing command-l then command-r
usually fixes these, nevertheless this shouldn't be happening at
all and is sometimes not an option, e.g. if you're in the middle of
placing an order for something online and can't resend the form.
One final thing I'd like to see implemented is that it would tell
us if images and items are clickable that are not links--in
otherwords, elements with onClick and onMouseover functions. These
are no problem at the moment if you know they are there, but
sometimes you don't know until you try them out.
Honestly though at this point the advantages of using VO on the web
outweigh the disadvantages for me--I like the visual approximation
that group mode gives me, I like the limited verbosity for the most
part, and I just like Safari in general as a browser.
Out of curiosity Will, have you played with the recent Webkit
builds at all? They really are making steady progress.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 05:29, Will Lomas wrote:
table identification for a start
how many headings frames and links a site has when it first loads
would be advantagious for those who may want to know what elements
are on a page before browsing it
On 24 Oct 2008, at 13:08, Mike Arrigo wrote:
I would say it's already there, what do you think the windows
access has that te mac doesn't? Of course, flash support is not
available on the mac yet, hopefully that will work at some point.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:51 AM, Will Lomas wrote:
hmmm wouldn't it be great to get safari web access for us up to
that of windows competition?
On 24 Oct 2008, at 01:36, Babcock, Michael Alex wrote:
i wonder if this has voiceover on it? Hmm.
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