Hi
Alt tags are exposed via Safari, it's longdesc and title tags that are
not. Another thing that's fixed in recent Webkit builds.
On Oct 25, 2008, at 02:53, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
But isn't VO capable of reading alt-tags? If not, i agree, that
should be fixed.
/Krister
25 okt 2008 kl. 04.37 skrev Dan Eickmeier:
And another thing I've noticed on some sites with some links, that
VO will just say link, not sure if these are links that have alt
tags or something, but if they are, that's a big thing that has to
be fixed for sure.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
I agree about indicating the on click. You can certainly access
them if you know they are there, but some times you don't. One way
I can usually tell is if a word that could be a link is by itself,
worst case, you try it, ad if it's not an on click, nothing
happens. I have also noticed the problem where it will just say
html content, but I have to reload the page to get it to work,
does anyone know if the page is on the screen and voice over just
doesn't see it, or is it not even loading? Table navigation
doesn't matter to me, since I don't use it, even with the windows
screen readers. A page summary might be nice, although you can
easily find the number of links by pressing control+option+u.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
Actually will I have to disagree on these points, I'd just as
soon not have them as I always turn them off anyway. I find that
I can always identify a table by context and, further, that often
the Windows screen readers identify tables where I don't want to
know--tables used for layout for example. I like as little
verbosity as possible to be honest--let me read the information
and I'll decide how to interpret it. Nevertheless for those who
do want them these options should be configurable, but I wouldn't
want them forced on me.
One thing I would like to see is the ability to read longdescs
and/or title tags make it into the systemwide Webkit framework--
recent svn builds of Webkit already have this--as well as
integrating the fix for multi-select list boxes that has been in
webkit for about half a year now. I think the main reason this
hasn't been integrated is that we haven't seen a Safari update
since 3.1.2 and they probably want to make sure everything will
work, but that's just a guess. Another thing that needs to be
dealt with which seems to be fixed in recent Webkit builds is the
empty page issue, i.e. when you navigate to a page and interact
with it you just get a beep as if there's nothing there. Pressing
command-l then command-r usually fixes these, nevertheless this
shouldn't be happening at all and is sometimes not an option,
e.g. if you're in the middle of placing an order for something
online and can't resend the form. One final thing I'd like to see
implemented is that it would tell us if images and items are
clickable that are not links--in otherwords, elements with
onClick and onMouseover functions. These are no problem at the
moment if you know they are there, but sometimes you don't know
until you try them out.
Honestly though at this point the advantages of using VO on the
web outweigh the disadvantages for me--I like the visual
approximation that group mode gives me, I like the limited
verbosity for the most part, and I just like Safari in general as
a browser.
Out of curiosity Will, have you played with the recent Webkit
builds at all? They really are making steady progress.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 05:29, Will Lomas wrote:
table identification for a start
how many headings frames and links a site has when it first
loads would be advantagious for those who may want to know what
elements are on a page before browsing it
On 24 Oct 2008, at 13:08, Mike Arrigo wrote:
I would say it's already there, what do you think the windows
access has that te mac doesn't? Of course, flash support is not
available on the mac yet, hopefully that will work at some point.
On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:51 AM, Will Lomas wrote:
hmmm wouldn't it be great to get safari web access for us up
to that of windows competition?
On 24 Oct 2008, at 01:36, Babcock, Michael Alex wrote:
i wonder if this has voiceover on it? Hmm.
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