Yes, while still connected, dropped items get the same attention as placed items.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Schmude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Update on Nano issue. I just got my 4th gen nano yesterday (finally). I can confirm that with iTunes 8.0.1 and firmware 1.0.2 it is generating spoken entries whenever something is moved to the iPod, regardless of whether it is synched or manually dragged. This is with the Mac version of iTunes of course, no idea about Windows. Also this is the 16gb model, though I doubt that would matter. I absolutely love my nano! On Nov 4, 2008, at 18:34, Esther wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Maybe this is a new feature!<smile> > > On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Christopher Gilland wrote: > >> Ester, that is really weird, as I just tried with my Nano doing a >> drag and rop, and actually, it spoke perfectly. >> >> Oddness. >> >> Chris. >> >> > > I'm not sure what is going on with your Nano, but when I tried > dragging and dropping new content that had never been placed on my > iPod before -- in any incarnation of the iTunes data base or player, > whether restored or not --- I didn't get spoken menus. Sounds as > though you managed to trigger something across the boundary of what > syncs and what gets transferred. > > Is your iPod still configured for data mode? > > Incidentally, I don't think that David's explanations work for what > has been going on with your iPod, but I'm not sure which files keep > track of recognizing the device. That could be in the binary file > that we can't get to directly. Only the "iTunes Music Library.xml" > file is used to communicate with other programs, and that may not be > where the weird things are happening. > > Cheers, > > Esther > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >> OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:24 PM >> Subject: Re: Update on Nano issue. >> >> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 3:22 AM, Christopher Gilland wrote: >>> >>>> Ester, as for your mis-understanding, no, my father is probably >>>> gonna wind up using his laptop which is a Windows machine to >>>> manage his music. The only reason that I synced it with my Mac, >>>> was because it was his bd, and I wanted to open the thing up, >>>> and have it pre-loaded for him with some of his favorite >>>> tracks. Yeah, I know: he only can sync it with one library, >>>> which awe great! means now, he can't sync it with his Inspiron >>>> 1000 unless he first erases the content currently on it. Now, >>>> Apple did! tell me, of a work around. I dono how true it is >>>> though. I don't have another IPod to test it with. Apparently, >>>> when it says it's synced with another library, do I wanna erase >>>> and sync with the new computer, someone told me if you click on >>>> cancel, then go to the settings of the IPod, and switch it to >>>> manually manage in the summary tab, then, I can actually at that >>>> point use the drag drop option, and just manage it that way, yet >>>> not delete anything. I dono how true that is, but anyway, >>>> that's what they told me, at least. >>>> >>> This trick doesn't work for your father, because you formatted >>> the iPod on a Mac. He's not going to be able to "see" these >>> files on his PC unless he goes through a third party tool. >>> Traditional tools, like MacOpener, got discontinued last year. In >>> any case, he should restore his iPod on the PC. >>> >>> Yes, the work-around Apple told you about can let him add content >>> manually to his iPod from other PCs that he isn't sync'd to. When >>> he connects his iPod (which is now synced to his iTunes account on >>> his PC) to another Windows iTunes installation (say, your account >>> on your Windows machine), he'll get prompted with a message that >>> tells him that his iPod is synced to another machine, and asks >>> him whether he wants to erase and sync to this new library. (In >>> the past, this is where knowing about overriding the autosync by >>> holding down the Command and Option keys on a Mac, or the Control >>> and Shift keys on a PC, really paid off -- because you didn't >>> used to get prompted about this!). At this point he can set up >>> the options to manually manage the iPod in the summary tab, and >>> those settings will be applied whenever he connects the iPod to >>> that iTunes account. He (or you) can drag and drop playlists >>> onto that iPod. The playlists can even contain DRM'd tracks >>> (from iTunes or Audible) provided that his iPod is authorized to >>> play them (this gets tricky if you've set him up as a separate >>> account in iTunes; it's less tricky for Audible since you can >>> have content from up to two different Audible accounts authorized >>> to play on a single iPod). >>> >>> For older iPods, you could play them cross-platform provided they >>> were formatted for Windows. The rule is that Macs can read Windows >>> FAT formatted files, but Windows can't read Mac file formats. So >>> if iPods were formatted for Windows, you could add content to them >>> from both Windows and Macs iTunes installations, provided that you >>> only used manual file transfers and not auto-sync (which assumes >>> that you can overwrite the files on the device with files on your >>> computer). The way to think about this is that you can easily >>> use USB memory sticks cross-platform, and these are FAT32 format >>> files. The first generation iPod Shuffle is basically like a USB >>> memory stick with expanded play capability. These cross-platform >>> iPod systems start to become unstable when you try to handle >>> things like videos or extensive album artwork cross-platform. >>> There are also issues about maximum character length in Window >>> file names and forbidden characters. Non-English characters >>> (accents, symbols) don't always get handled correctly under the >>> Windows format. Still, if you stick to simple music and >>> audiobook files (and audio podcasts), it's pretty >>> straightforward. I manually transfer content from my Mac to a >>> first generation iPod Nano that was formatted for Windows and has >>> never been updated. (It's associated with someone else's >>> machine, but has always been left in manual mode). This kind of >>> cross-platform use is probably not possible with the 4G Nanos -- >>> certainly not if you want speakable menus, which relies on the >>> "sync" to generate the spoken bits. In the (distant) past iPods >>> (especially hard-drive iPods) used to come pre-formatted, and you >>> would run "updates". Now the original format/install is done >>> automatically through iTunes, so the way the device is formatted >>> depends on your operating system, adn this is automatically >>> detected. >>> >>> The more general trick, of setting iPods to manual mode and >>> transferring additional content (via VoiceOver drag and drop) >>> when these iPods are not connected to the accounts they sync >>> with, will work for both Mac and PC platforms. However, the down >>> side is that unless they "sync" you won't get spoken menu clips >>> generated for the content. If I drag and drop additional tracks >>> to a 4G Nano they will appear on the disk. Sighted users will >>> see their entries under playlists, artist, etc. on the Nano >>> screen. You just won't hear any spoken content for these >>> entries. To generate the spoken clips, you'd have to add these >>> files to your iTunes library and sync them. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >> >> > >
