Hi David
I'm not sure I'm getting what you mean. What would this be useful for? As far as I know the iPod can't browse the files you've placed onto it in mass-storage mode, the interface looks only at the iTunes data, at least for the nano and classic. The iPod touch and iPhone may very well allow this. Can you explain further?


On Nov 4, 2008, at 19:26, David Poehlman wrote:

now, what would really be cool is if you could have speech when using the
nano as mass storage.

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Yes, while still connected, dropped items get the same attention as placed
items.

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I just got my 4th gen nano yesterday (finally). I can confirm that
with iTunes 8.0.1 and firmware 1.0.2 it is generating spoken entries
whenever something is moved to the iPod, regardless of whether it is
synched or manually dragged. This is with the Mac version of iTunes of
course, no idea about Windows. Also this is the 16gb model, though I
doubt that would matter. I absolutely love my nano!


On Nov 4, 2008, at 18:34, Esther wrote:

Hi Chris,

Maybe this is a new feature!<smile>

On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Christopher Gilland wrote:

Ester, that is really weird, as I just tried with my Nano doing a
drag and rop, and actually, it spoke perfectly.

Oddness.

Chris.



I'm not sure what is going on with your Nano, but when I tried
dragging and dropping new content that had never been placed on my
iPod before -- in any incarnation of the iTunes data base or player,
whether restored or not --- I didn't get spoken menus.  Sounds as
though you managed to trigger something across the boundary of what
syncs and what gets transferred.

Is your iPod still configured for data mode?

Incidentally, I don't think that David's explanations work for what
has been going on with your iPod, but I'm not sure which files keep
track of recognizing the device.  That could be in the binary file
that we can't get to directly.  Only the "iTunes Music Library.xml"
file is used to communicate with other programs, and that may not be
where the weird things are happening.

Cheers,

Esther

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Hi Chris,

On Nov 4, 2008, at 3:22 AM, Christopher Gilland wrote:

Ester, as for your mis-understanding, no, my father is probably
gonna wind up using his laptop which is a Windows machine to
manage  his music. The only reason that I synced it with my Mac,
was  because it was his bd, and I wanted to open the thing up,
and have  it pre-loaded for him with some of his favorite
tracks.  Yeah, I  know: he only can sync it with one library,
which awe great! means  now, he can't sync it with his Inspiron
1000 unless he first erases  the content currently on it.  Now,
Apple did! tell me, of a work  around.  I dono how true it is
though.  I don't have another IPod to  test it with.  Apparently,
when it says it's synced with another  library, do I wanna erase
and sync with the new computer, someone  told me if you click on
cancel, then go to the settings of the IPod,  and switch it to
manually manage in the summary tab, then, I can actually at that
point use the drag drop option, and just manage it  that way, yet
not delete anything.  I dono how true that is, but  anyway,
that's what they told me, at least.

This trick doesn't work for your father, because you formatted
the  iPod on a Mac.  He's not going to be able to "see" these
files on his  PC unless he goes through a third party tool.
Traditional tools, like MacOpener, got discontinued last year.  In
any case, he should restore his iPod on the PC.

Yes, the work-around Apple told you about can let him add content
manually to his iPod from other PCs that he isn't sync'd to.  When
he connects his iPod (which is now synced to his iTunes account on
his  PC) to another Windows iTunes installation (say, your account
on your  Windows machine), he'll get prompted with a message that
tells him  that his iPod is synced to another machine, and asks
him whether he  wants to erase and sync to this new library.  (In
the past, this is  where knowing about overriding the autosync by
holding down the  Command and Option keys on a Mac, or the Control
and Shift keys on a  PC, really paid off -- because you didn't
used to get prompted about  this!).  At this point he can set up
the options to manually manage  the iPod in the summary tab, and
those settings will be applied  whenever he connects the iPod to
that iTunes account.  He (or you) can  drag and drop playlists
onto that iPod.  The playlists can even  contain DRM'd tracks
(from iTunes or Audible) provided that his iPod  is authorized to
play them (this gets tricky if you've set him up as a  separate
account in iTunes; it's less tricky for Audible since you can
have content from up to two different Audible accounts authorized
to  play on a single iPod).

For older iPods, you could play them cross-platform provided they
were formatted for Windows. The rule is that Macs can read Windows
FAT formatted files, but Windows can't read Mac file formats.  So
if iPods were formatted for Windows, you could add content to them
from both Windows and Macs iTunes installations, provided that you
only used  manual file transfers and not auto-sync (which assumes
that you can  overwrite the files on the device with files on your
computer).  The  way to think about this is that you can easily
use USB memory sticks  cross-platform, and these are FAT32 format
files. The first generation  iPod Shuffle is basically like a USB
memory stick with expanded play  capability.  These cross-platform
iPod systems start to become  unstable when you try to handle
things like videos or extensive album  artwork cross-platform.
There are also issues about maximum character  length in Window
file names and forbidden characters.  Non-English  characters
(accents, symbols) don't always get handled correctly under  the
Windows format.  Still, if you stick to simple music and
audiobook  files (and audio podcasts), it's pretty
straightforward.  I manually  transfer content from my Mac to a
first generation iPod Nano that was  formatted for Windows and has
never been updated.  (It's associated  with someone else's
machine, but has always been left in manual  mode).  This kind of
cross-platform use is probably not possible with  the 4G Nanos --
certainly not if you want speakable menus, which  relies on the
"sync" to generate the spoken bits. In the (distant)  past iPods
(especially hard-drive iPods) used to come pre-formatted,  and you
would run "updates".  Now the original format/install is done
automatically through iTunes, so the way the device is formatted
depends on your operating system, adn this is automatically
detected.

The more general trick, of setting iPods to manual mode and
transferring additional content (via VoiceOver drag and drop)
when  these iPods are not connected to the accounts they sync
with, will  work for both Mac and PC platforms.  However, the down
side is that  unless they "sync" you won't get spoken menu clips
generated for the  content.  If I drag and drop additional tracks
to a 4G Nano they will  appear on the disk.  Sighted users will
see their entries under  playlists, artist, etc. on the Nano
screen.  You just won't hear any  spoken content for these
entries.  To generate the spoken clips, you'd  have to add these
files to your iTunes library and sync them.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther














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