Hi,

There are two ways to read the current time but they both do the same thing. 
control-f8 will focus on the status menu where you will find the clock among 
other lovely items by using left and right arrow but in order to read the 
time when you land on the clock, you need to use control-option-down and 
then up arrow for some reason.  Also, you may know that you can set the 
clock to announce the time at intervals from every 15 minutes, half hour or 
hour.  The other way to get to the status menu is control-option-m with the 
m tapped twice and then left arrow once and the time will be spoken.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dj Paddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby 
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Finally here


Ester,

This is a very comprehensive and useful post.

I'm filing this and will begin going through it at home as I am in the
Universitys library at the mometn.

I've had a quick look at the I Can Work this thing link you provided.  This
looks extremely useful and I can't thank you and all the rest of you guys
enough.

I've quite an extensive stack of resources now to get on with.  I must admit
so far with basic navigation I seem to be doing quite well.

Two quick questions.

1.  How do I install an application?

2.  How can I red the current time?

Thanks very much Ester, Alex, Erik, Dave, Mitch for ll your help.

I have been showing my Mac to some of my classmates and also my P A today.
One actually said, "It's very futuristic----- Original Message -----
looking", another actually said, "It looks a thing of beauty".

Several have commented on how thing it is and lite-weight considering the
hardware I have in my MB Pro.

Oh yes and a third question.  How can i check battery status?

Thanks again foks.  I cant' wait to get out of my Systems
Engineering/Requirements class and dull Advanced Database Systems this
afternoon to go home and play!

Barry
From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Finally here


> Hi,
>
> I'll try to fill in where I can make some additions to what's already
> been mentioned.
>
> On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Dj Paddy wrote:
>> a self confessed geek!  I've used all the Windows OS's bar Vista.  I  am
>> looking forward to installing Vmware Fusion and getting Linux up  and
>> running on here.
> If you have some Unix/Linux background, you might be interested in
> reading: "Top Ten Mac OS X Hints for Unix Geeks":
>
> http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2002/10/22/macforunix.html
>
> This old (but updated) web page gives information on items like  running
> terminal commands, shells, and system directory structure.
>>
>>
>> 5.  Podcasting.
>>
>> What application is people using for this?  I've noticed Podcast  Catcher
>> in Utilitys but again it's asking me for a password along  side my
>> username?
>>
> The easiest application to use for subscribing to and downloading
> podcasts is iTunes (assuming you mean listening to podcasts rather  than
> producing them).  The podcasts section of the iTunes Store is  probably
> the most comprehensive single location for finding podcasts,  and iTunes
> lets you set options for subscribing, downloading, and  managing podcasts
> in automated fashion or manually. You don't need an  account at the iTunes
> Store to subscribe to podcasts.  You can do a  simple search for podcasts
> within iTunes by selecting the iTunes Store  in the Sources Table and
> entering the name of the podcast followed by  a carriage return in the
> Search Text Field, then you can move to the  search results in the iTunes
> Store and optionally sample or play  podcast episodes, read episode
> descriptions. download specific  episodes, or subscribe to a podcast.
>
> You can also subscribe to podcasts by supplying a URL for the podcast
> feed, as with other podcatcher programs.  This is a way to use iTunes  for
> podcasts that don't have entries at the iTunes Store -- like ACB  radio's
> Main Menu.  Use the "Subscribe to Podcast" option in the  Advanced Menu on
> the iTunes menu bar (VO-M and press "A" to navigate  to the Advanced menu
> and arrow down to "Subscribe to Podcast" and  return) and type in the URL
> of the feed, then press return.  If you  have been using another
> podcatcher, you can import the OPML file into  iTunes using the File menu.
>
> Downloaded episodes will appear in the Podcasts section of your iTunes
> Library, organized in folders by podcast name.  To access these,  select
> "Podcasts" in the Sources Table, then navigate to the Songs  Table to find
> your episodes.  You'll need to expand a folder (VO- backslash, where
> backslash is the rightmost key below the delete key  and above the return
> key on US keyboards, acts as a toggle to expand  or collapse folders here
> or in Finder) to view the podcasts. The  number of new (unplayed) podcasts
> is reported after you hear  "Podcasts" in the Sources Table, so you are
> alerted to new downloads.   New episodes are also flagged in the first
> (status) column in the  Songs Table for podcasts and their folders.
>
> You can automate management of your podcasts by using the two buttons
> reached by VO-right past the Songs Table for podcasts: the first will  let
> you change your subscription status (Subscribe or Unsubscribe) to  your
> selection in the Songs Table, the second will let you specify  your
> settings for having iTunes check for new podcasts episodes -- how
> frequently (hourly, daily, weekly, manually), what to do when new
> episodes are available (download all episodes on feed [can be enormous  on
> some feeds] or latest episode), which episodes to keep (all, all
> unplayed, most recent 2, 3, 5, 10, etc., manually manage).  You can  also
> customize your preferences by podcast subscription and use even  more
> options from the contextual menu in the Songs Table to exempt  specific
> episodes from the automatic management rules (e.g. "Do not  auto
> delete" -- which is automatically set for any episode you  manually
> download). There's also a refresh button (VO-right past the  one for
> "Settings") that will let you manually update your check of  all the
> podcast feeds at any time.
>
> Podcasts that you subscribe to through iTunes will automatically
> "bookmark" so that their last played positions are remembered if you  stop
> in the middle.  If you use an iPod and sync contents your latest  played
> position will transfer between devices, for continuous  listening of
> podcasts and audiobooks.
>
> Although simple searches will let you sample the latest episode and
> subscribe to podcasts without interacting with the HTML area of the
> iTunes Store, navigating into HTML area lets you access a page for  each
> podcast that gives a complete list of all currently available  episodes
> (that you can individually sample or download without  necessarily
> subscribing to the series), navigate links to the  corresponding web page
> for the podcast, and view what other podcasts  subscribers to this podcast
> listen to.
>
> There is also a Power Search link at the iTunes Store that you can use  to
> search for podcasts by title, author, description, category, and
> language.  So, for example, if you do a simple search by selecting
> "iTunes Store" in your Source Table, then navigating to the Search  Text
> field and typing "Screenless Switchers" without quotation marks,  then
> pressing return, you can VO-right to the Songs Table and  interact, and
> find the single entry (for the latest episode) and  sample it by pressing
> return. You can also VO-right to the column  where you hear "Free" and
> route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver  cursor (if you don't have your
> Mouse Cursor set to track your  VoiceOver cursor), and press (VO-space) to
> subscribe.  However, if you  had interacted with the iTunes Store HTML
> area just before your VO- right to the Songs Table, you could have
> subscribed by pressing (VO- space) the "subscribe" button (without cursor
> routing) or you could  have chosen the link to either the Screenless
> Switchers podcast or its  artwork and pressed it (VO-space) to go to its
> podcast page.  The  podcast page includes a full description of the
> podcast series and  a  subscribe button, along with links to the website,
> and a list of  "Listeners also subscribed to" links to other podcasts.
> Moreover, if  you stop interacting and VO-right to corresponding Songs
> Table, you'll  get a list of all available episodes with release date and
> episode  description.  If you VO-right to where you hear "free" you can
> download individual episodes.  If you stop interacting and VO-left  back
> to the iTunes Store HTML area and interact there, you can  navigate back
> (Command-left bracket) just as you do for web pages.   You can also select
> the "Power Search" link on that page and press "VO- space" it.  This will
> allow you to set popup buttons for store  categories (e.g."Music" or
> "Podcasts" and enter search terms under  title, author, description,
> etc.).  Another item of note is the  "iTunes U" category.  These are
> podcasts released by Universities,  Libraries, radio stations with special
> educations programs, etc.
>
>>
>> 9 Further learning.
>>
>> Any recommended resources other than the Voice Over Daisy manual for
>> teaching myself?
> Erik and others have already mentioned some resources.  There's also  Tim
> Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/
>
> and Greg Kearney's VoiceOver Compatibility pages for checking
> accessibility of software:
>
> http://w3.wmcnet.org/vo/
>
> Greg also has links to some useful workflows and utilities at that  page,
> and he's put over some of his Daisy books and documentation at  the Curtin
> University pages:
>
> http://www.cucat.org/books.php
>
> There are various items at the projects page, such as links to eSpeak  for
> the Mac, and the Olearia Daisy player at:
>
> http://www.cucat.org/projects.php
>
> Also, try the guides at I can work this thing:
>
> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/docs/mac_with_voiceover/
>
> Personally, I use the search facitilies at the Mail Archives for this
> list a lot:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
>
> Some of the search features are  summarized in the archived post  listed
> below, which I got to by using the above link, pressing tab to  go to the
> search field, and typing:
>
> from:"Esther" erik searching tips
>
> to give you an idea of how it's done.
>
> See:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg36943.html
>
> With regard to Mobile Me, Erik's remarked:
>
>> Hi man,  I thought .mac/mobile me was a subscription service?  The
>> reason I didn't sign up was because I thought the screen said it was
>> going to be over $100 per year.
>
> You can get a 1 year subscription through Amazon for $79, I think.   But
> in any case it's possible to get a free 60-day trial although the  signup
> web site may still not be accessible so that you have to call  Apple
> support.  One reason people do this is to use iChat, which  requires
> either a .Mac/Mobile Me account or and AOL account.  After  the trial
> period the login name should still work for iChat, unless  things have
> changed.
>
>>
>> Thanks heeps for any and all answers, I knwo this is a lot but I'm
>> pressed for time as I was meant to have had this system 7 weeks ago,
>> (granted it means I got the new Mac Pro now), but I need to get up  to
>> speed here as quickly as possible for final year projects.
>>
>> Dj Paddy
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
>
>
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