On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 00:00:16 Omar Rassi wrote: > So now that its established the front office must stay an enclosed space as > per the landlord's request, lets throw some ideas of what we can fit in > there. Its about half the size of the Craft Room at the old space, so its > small. There was talk tonight of making that room a quiet workspace, maybe > our library of books can go there with the futon and a desk, I can set up > the desk as a blank spot to place your personal computer/desktop with > speakers if you need to quietly work on a project design. I know we have > the computer assets to place between 1 - 3 desktops if needed or make > available a laptop for the space. One of the phones can be placed there as > well. Thoughts? Or perhaps: Recording studio? Coat Closet? 3D and Digital > Photo printing? Dark Room? Copier/Fax Room? Padded Room for when you go > crazy at how awesome Synhak is? > > Currently, and *temporarily* I have placed most of the computer assets in > that room, so monitors, cables, laptops, desktops, drives, printers, etc. > This way they are less likely to encounter a falling object or otherwise > during renovations. If that's in the way, let me know so I can move them > downstairs but I'll need help, some of it is heavy. > > Lets come up with something everyone can use and and enjoy.
I'm using it as encouragement to build SYNHAK in a direction where it can buy the building. > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Steve Radonich IV <[email protected]>wrote: > > I'm going to have to agree with Andrew on this one. As a recognized > > > > business there needs to be certain steps taken to insure that SynHak > > doesn't take on any unnecessary liabilities. Its not that I don't trust > > anyone's quality of work but as Andrew stated the risk is much to high to > > be acceptable. I get that people want us to do everything because the know > > how and material is available but hiring someone to at the very least look > > it over and give the thumbs up. > > > > --- Original Message --- > > > > From: "a l" <[email protected]> > > Sent: January 20, 2014 10:48 PM > > > > To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] 48 Summit St front room discussion thread > > > > I apologize that this is beating a dead horse to some of you but I > > > > don't feel this has been given the attention and consideration that it > > deserves. While part of it is I do no trust our members to know every > > aspect of the NEC and whether domestic rules are the same as > > commercial/industrial. There have already been instances of people > > improperly following code. > > I am more concerned with the chain of custody as it were. > > > > Should tragedy strike SynHak as it did the Geek group last month I want > > > > to be 100000% sure that A) it could not have been our negligence B) that > > the insurance will cover any damages or personal injury C) If legal action > > is taken SynHak, Inc. is not named as a defendant. > > > > Having amateurs, no matter how good, preform this work cannot guarantee > > > > these. The ability to say 'hey we hired this professional who is bonded, > > insured, a rootin' tootin' cable laying, conduit bending, circuit splicing > > prodigy and if there's problems with the electrical it's their fault' is > > invaluable. > > > > I realize that the likelyhood of catastrophe is low but the consequences > > > > are simply too high to justify taking financial shortcuts on potentially > > lethal infrastructure. > > > > regards, > > Andrew > > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Torrie Fischer > > <[email protected]>wrote:> > > On Monday, January 20, 2014 21:33:50 a l wrote: > > > I feel I must clarify my position. While I am for making the front room > > > more open and inviting I am not for doing these remodels now. We have 4 > > > short weeks until opening day and I know my availability to assist in > > > renovations will be limited at best due to school and health > > > > constraints. > > > > > Perhaps my ability to allot time for these renovations is skewed but I > > > think we need to organize a sort of renovation triage. That is things > > > > that > > > > > absolutely positively must be working and presentable come March 1, > > > > things > > > > > that would be nice to have, and things that can wait. > > > > For reference, it took maybe a whole 5 man-hours of labor to tear down > > the > > > > wall, strip nails, and clean up. I estimate it'll take another 7 to finish > > the > > front room, including rewiring electrical switches and patching the > > ceiling. > > > > > As far as getting a sense of what the community wants, yes this thread > > > > has > > > > > been active for a number of days but remember we have more than a few > > > members who either get the list in digest form or are just more > > > > comfortable > > > > > voicing their opinions in person at meetings or open hours. Hopefully we > > > can present the consideration at Tuesdays meeting. > > > > > > I would also like to again voice my concern about the amount of > > > > electrical > > > > > work members are doing at the space. Every circuit presents a very > > > > serious > > > > > liability issue. I know a contractor was scheduled to come by last week > > > > to > > > > > check over wiring and fix things and I would take it as a kindness if > > > people would stop undertaking electrical projects. > > > > I trust Andy, Craig, Devin, and everyone else to be able to watch all of > > > > this > > for safety. I never assume anyone else is checking things, so I make sure > > to > > personally inspect all work and verify it against code a few days later. > > Others are welcome to do the same. > > > > > regards, > > > Andrew L > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Michael Griesacker > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > I am also against taking the wall down, for now, and feel scope creep > > > > is a > > > > > > valid point. I apologize for lack of lengthy supporting argument, but > > > > I > > > > only have two thumbs. > > > > On Jan 20, 2014 12:32 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> Omar, the decision is split. This is a discussion for the next > > > > meeting. I > > > > > >> am against tearing out the storage closet and the wall it resides in. > > > >> That > > > >> being said I am not against removing the "window" from the other, > > > > south > > > > > >> facing, wall. Stop trying to push decisions through by calling it > > > > Synhak > > > > > >> philosophy and brushing it under the rug. If we have disagreements we > > > >> need > > > >> to give everyone a chance to speak their piece. See you at the next > > > >> meeting, > > > >> > > > >> Devin Wolfe. > > > >> > > > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on > > > >> > > > >> Android<http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>>> > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------ > > > >> > > > >> * From: * Omar Rassi <[email protected]>; > > > >> * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]>; > > > >> * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] 48 Summit St front room discussion > > > > thread > > > > > >> * Sent: * Mon, Jan 20, 2014 4:40:18 PM > > > >> > > > >> Andrew L, I agree, we all love Synhak and want the best for our new > > > >> > > > >> space but we must refrain from passionate sarcasm and profanity > > > >> during > > > >> discussion, its not acceptable during meetings nor should it be > > > >> during > > > >> discussion. From this thread, there is a very strong and compelling > > > >> argument from more than one person for bringing down the walls in the > > > >> front > > > >> room, turning one wall into a welcome bar. > > > >> > > > >> Currently, having a walled off restricted area is not in keeping with > > > >> Synhak's philosophy. The admin computer I had set up before plus our > > > >> document github should be more than sufficient sufficient to store > > > >> and > > > >> maintain any documentation or office related work that needs done by > > > > an > > > > > >> officer in the event an officer doesn't have access to their own > > > > computer > > > > > >> to do it with. When Synhak grows large enough to warrant a dedicated > > > >> office > > > >> space, then we'll revisit the subject. > > > >> > > > >> My mind's eye is seeing the area becoming a place to make it easy to > > > > find > > > > > >> to more information on Synhak, access to membership and liability > > > > forms, > > > > > >> showcase sample projects (like the hard drive speakers Dialbot, etc). > > > >> like > > > >> the the kiosk that was at 21 W. North but version 2.0. essentially an > > > >> excellent first sight for new visitors and guests of Synhak. > > > >> > > > >> For now, lets get the area ready for that by taking down the wall, > > > > making > > > > > >> the bar height section of the other wall, and continue the > > > >> renovations > > > >> and > > > >> repair that must take place anyway regardless of what happens to the > > > >> wall. > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:30 AM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> Firstly I realize people are passionate about the space and making > > > >>> it > > > >>> better but if we could leave dismissive, explicit, and excessively > > > >>> sarcastic commentary out of the discussion that would be excellent > > > >>> to > > > >>> everyone. > > > >>> > > > >>> Secondly the arguments against tearing down the office we already > > > > have > > > > > >>> to build a slightly different one in the exact same place are more > > > > than > > > > > >>> just "There are other things in need of doing!". Secondly as you > > > > pointed > > > > > >>> out tearing down walls is not expensive. Remodeling the now larger > > > > space > > > > > >>> so > > > >>> it doesn't look like people ran drunkenly around with sawz-alls and > > > >>> crowbars is the expensive part. We have to get: ceiling tile, > > > > drywall, > > > > > >>> paint, relocate more outlets(new wiring, boxes, &c), and floor vents > > > > for > > > > > >>> formerly wall vents. > > > >>> We are losing money and working on a finite time table. Having a > > > >>> prioritized list actually does mean we should focus the vast > > > > majority of > > > > > >>> our limited time and money on them. They are the projects that need > > > > to > > > > > >>> get > > > >>> done in order for SynHak to function come opening day. Getting the > > > > main > > > > > >>> workspace up and running should be everyone's main effort. After > > > > that's > > > > > >>> done we can and should focus on the 'nice to have' list. > > > >>> > > > >>> regards, > > > >>> Andrew L > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Andrew Buczko < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > >>> > wrote: > > > >>>> I shouldn't have to explain this... > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Every time you start a project you run into expenses. Yes we can > > > >>>> recycle what materials we have but there's always something else > > > > needed > > > > > >>>> to > > > >>>> get the project done. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Personally, I'm done with this, so & so already started tearing out > > > > the > > > > > >>>> wall, so fuck it! lets just gut the whole fucking place! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Omar Rassi > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>> Andy, I also emailed the start of this thread to [email protected], > > > >>>>> discuss is what responded first. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> A few questions for you Andy: > > > >>>>> >It's a nice little room, we can use for what ever we want, if you > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> take it away then all we'll have is big empty space. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> It won't be empty, it would be built into the welcome bar. The > > > > whole > > > > > >>>>> reason we moved to 48 Summit is because we need more space, are > > > >>>>> you > > > >>>>> saying > > > >>>>> we now have too much? How does keeping the walls make it less > > > > empty? > > > > > >>>>> >we don't have the money to build new walls. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Why would we need to build new walls there? Why would a Synhak > > > > office > > > > > >>>>> absolutely require walls? If a separate office is needed, a walled > > > >>>>> off area right by the front door is not a good place to have one, > > > > so a > > > > > >>>>> room > > > >>>>> to our specifications would need to be constructed anyway but in a > > > >>>>> different place at the space as a long term project > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> >heck we still have to fix the ceiling first. Plus if you take out > > > > the > > > > > >>>>> wall you then have to fix the ceiling, who wants to look at a > > > > bunch of > > > > > >>>>> gaps? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> That's a good point. Was this part of the ceiling not included in > > > > our > > > > > >>>>> estimates regarding roof repair? What is required to fix it, how > > > > much > > > > > >>>>> wood? > > > >>>>> how much in ceiling tile? Can we get a hardware store to donate > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>> materials for a donation tax receipt? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Andrew, you're right remodeling is expensive, we still have plenty > > > > of > > > > > >>>>> wood at our disposal and we've reclaimed even more from both 21 W > > > >>>>> North and > > > >>>>> 48 Summit. what do we think are the expenses associated with > > > > turning > > > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>> room into a welcome area/paperwork repository? And what materials > > > > and > > > > > >>>>> expertise do we already have on hand to make it happen? I can > > > > think of > > > > > >>>>> floor tileand ceiling repair though I have very little experience > > > > with > > > > > >>>>> carpentry and building repair so I couldn't begin to guess how > > > >>>>> much > > > >>>>> work > > > >>>>> and material would be needed. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thank you for sharing. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>> I thunk it would be nice if that area were a reception type desk > > > >>>>>> welcome bar type structure that housed paper work. As far as > > > >>>>>> walks > > > >>>>>> are > > > >>>>>> concerned i think half height walls would be nice as this allows > > > >>>>>> people to > > > >>>>>> see the whole space but still restricts access to documents. > > > > locked > > > > > >>>>>> drawers > > > >>>>>> they are only open during filing keeps privacy concerns satisfied > > > > but > > > > > >>>>>> still > > > >>>>>> allows for any member to get blank forms for visitors. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> That said remodeling is expensive, we have other more pressing > > > >>>>>> expenses like getting up to code properly installed outlets in > > > >>>>>> the > > > >>>>>> main > > > >>>>>> shop so people can hack. I think we need to prioritize our > > > > spending > > > > > >>>>>> and > > > >>>>>> realize we can't do it all at the same time. For me removing > > > > existing > > > > > >>>>>> infrastructure only to modify it slightly is a frivolous expense > > > > we > > > > > >>>>>> can't > > > >>>>>> shots right now. We should save for and do it this year, in the > > > > next > > > > > >>>>>> six > > > >>>>>> months money permitting. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Also every project we start now is one more we have to finish by > > > >>>>>> opening day. And we already have quite a list. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> regards, > > > >>>>>> Andrew L > > > >>>>>> On Jan 19, 2014 1:12 AM, "Torrie Fischer" < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 00:33:16 Omar Rassi wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > >1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall > > > >>>>>>> > >with > > > >>>>>>> > >the > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > closet/shelves? > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > Torrie's argument is compelling, though I leaned towards > > > > keeping > > > > > >>>>>>> the room > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > as is, I am now indifferent to walls up or down. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it > > > > fulfill? > > > > > >>>>>>> Crafts? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer > > > > lab? > > > > > >>>>>>> Lounge? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > Etc etc. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > I had envisioned a place where Synhak Inc. office could go. A > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> place where > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > the office of secretary, treasurer, and the champions, could > > > > work > > > > > >>>>>>> on the > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > not so exciting parts of running a non-profit with minimal > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> distraction from > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > hackers hacking. It would be a room to keep important paper > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> records that we > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > are required to have on file in a controlled place to prevent > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> tampering > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > (we've never had an issue with this in the past, its just a > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> perspective of > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > assurance from a 3rd party perspective i.e. How can we > > > > guarantee > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > records are true if anyone can walk in and change the paper > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> documents when > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > a member's back is turned?) > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, > > > > if > > > > > >>>>>>> it does > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to > > > > use > > > > > >>>>>>> the space? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > A bolted and locked file cabinet and appropriate file > > > > permissions > > > > > >>>>>>> > (read-write access for officers and champions, read-only > > > >>>>>>> > access > > > >>>>>>> > for > > > >>>>>>> > everyone else) placed on a workstation designated for office > > > > use > > > > > >>>>>>> can > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > accomplish the same records assurance mentioned above while > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> keeping the > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > digital copies open and transparent. So perhaps a walled off > > > > area > > > > > >>>>>>> may not > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > be necessary as I previously thought. Objectively thinking > > > > about > > > > > >>>>>>> it, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > creating a welcome area out of that room would not lessen my > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> desire to use > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > the space and could provide a wow factor for visitors and > > > > guests, > > > > > >>>>>>> I can > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > think of alternatives to achieve my desired goals for a Synhak > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Inc. Office. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Thank you. It is important that we all try to be as pragmatic as > > > >>>>>>> possible when > > > >>>>>>> considering how to best allocate the finite volume we have > > > > available > > > > > >>>>>>> to us. I > > > >>>>>>> feel the quantity of shared space should be maximized as it > > > >>>>>>> gives > > > >>>>>>> others the > > > >>>>>>> broadest canvas that this building can provide, until it becomes > > > >>>>>>> more > > > >>>>>>> beneficial to the community to do otherwise. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Torrie Fischer > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > On Saturday, January 18, 2014 22:26:49 Omar Rassi wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > There may be some miscommunication/misunderstanding about > > > > the > > > > > >>>>>>> front room > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > at > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > 48 Summit St. So lets talk about what to do with that > > > >>>>>>> > > > room. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > The original plan was to remove all the walls, shelving > > > >>>>>>> > > > and > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> cabinetry to > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > give us a large open area to do what we wish with and turn > > > > one > > > > > >>>>>>> of its > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > walls > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > into a welcome bar like at the old space. However, it > > > > appears > > > > > >>>>>>> that some > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > members want to keep the small office-ish type room for > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> various reasons > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > (each person in favor of keeping the room has a different > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> idea). So lets > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > discuss! > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > Key points of discussion: > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > 1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall > > > > with > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > closet/shelves? > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > I would prefer to remove the closet side wall of that room > > > > and > > > > > >>>>>>> create a > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > new > > > >>>>>>> > > welcome bar from the other wall of the room by cutting it to > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> only a few > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > feet > > > >>>>>>> > > tall. This would create a very open and inviting physical > > > > space. > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > 2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> fulfill? Crafts? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? > > > > Computer > > > > > >>>>>>> lab? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > Lounge? > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > Etc etc. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > If someone is intending on turning it into some form of > > > > member > > > > > >>>>>>> storage, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > SYNHAK, Inc office, or server closet, I think it would be > > > > wise > > > > > >>>>>>> to remember > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > that we have a massive basement that has not yet been spoken > > > > for > > > > > >>>>>>> in any > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > significant capacity and will likely see the smallest > > > > fraction > > > > > >>>>>>> of actual > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > foot > > > >>>>>>> > > traffic in proportion to the floor space. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > Additionally, why would you want something so obviously > > > > meant to > > > > > >>>>>>> be hidden > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > and > > > >>>>>>> > > out of the way *immediately next to the front door*? Thats > > > > just > > > > > >>>>>>> not good > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > feng > > > >>>>>>> > > shui. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > 3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other > > > > words, > > > > > >>>>>>> if it does > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how > > > > to > > > > > >>>>>>> use the > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > space? > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > I feel it creates a walled off area of a space that is > > > > otherwise > > > > > >>>>>>> open to > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > everyone. It implies that there is some private part of the > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> space that > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > you're > > > >>>>>>> > > not allowed to visit, and it is immediately at the front > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> entrance. The > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > building already has enough cubicle-dungeon-like attributes > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> without > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > functional > > > >>>>>>> > > windows up front. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > For reference please see the floorplan of 48 Summit St. at > > > >>>>>>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/syncalled.pdf and Synhak's google > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> plus page at > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > https://plus.google.com/104182820750454997283 for > > > > pictures of > > > > > >>>>>>> 48 Summit > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > St > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > pre-renovation. The bottom of the floorplan page is where > > > > the > > > > > >>>>>>> entrance > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > is > > > >>>>>>> > > > (Front door is angled) the room in question is directly to > > > > the > > > > > >>>>>>> right of > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > that, the specific wall to come down is to the right of > > > >>>>>>> > > > the > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> room's door > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > with the wall closest to the front door being turned into > > > >>>>>>> > > > a > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> welcome bar > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > as > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > with the old space. Remember that this is simply > > > >>>>>>> > > > discussion > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> where > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > everyone > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > can voice their concerns. Ultimately this should be > > > > decided no > > > > > >>>>>>> later > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > than > > > >>>>>>> > > > Tuesday's meeting by the membership as per our > > > > self-governance > > > > > >>>>>>> process ( > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > https://synhak.org/wiki/Governance) so we can get a move > > > > on > > > > > >>>>>>> with this > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > area > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > and once decided put it behind us. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>> > > Discuss mailing list > > > >>>>>>> > > [email protected] > > > >>>>>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>> Discuss mailing list > > > >>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>> Discuss mailing list > > > >>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>> Discuss mailing list > > > >>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> Discuss mailing list > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> Discuss mailing list > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Discuss mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
