I am also against taking the wall down, for now, and feel scope creep is a valid point. I apologize for lack of lengthy supporting argument, but I only have two thumbs. On Jan 20, 2014 12:32 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Omar, the decision is split. This is a discussion for the next meeting. I > am against tearing out the storage closet and the wall it resides in. That > being said I am not against removing the "window" from the other, south > facing, wall. Stop trying to push decisions through by calling it Synhak > philosophy and brushing it under the rug. If we have disagreements we need > to give everyone a chance to speak their piece. See you at the next meeting, > > Devin Wolfe. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on > Android<http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Omar Rassi <[email protected]>; > * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]>; > * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] 48 Summit St front room discussion thread > * Sent: * Mon, Jan 20, 2014 4:40:18 PM > > Andrew L, I agree, we all love Synhak and want the best for our new > space but we must refrain from passionate sarcasm and profanity during > discussion, its not acceptable during meetings nor should it be during > discussion. From this thread, there is a very strong and compelling > argument from more than one person for bringing down the walls in the front > room, turning one wall into a welcome bar. > > Currently, having a walled off restricted area is not in keeping with > Synhak's philosophy. The admin computer I had set up before plus our > document github should be more than sufficient sufficient to store and > maintain any documentation or office related work that needs done by an > officer in the event an officer doesn't have access to their own computer > to do it with. When Synhak grows large enough to warrant a dedicated office > space, then we'll revisit the subject. > > My mind's eye is seeing the area becoming a place to make it easy to find > to more information on Synhak, access to membership and liability forms, > showcase sample projects (like the hard drive speakers Dialbot, etc). like > the the kiosk that was at 21 W. North but version 2.0. essentially an > excellent first sight for new visitors and guests of Synhak. > > For now, lets get the area ready for that by taking down the wall, making > the bar height section of the other wall, and continue the renovations and > repair that must take place anyway regardless of what happens to the wall. > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:30 AM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Firstly I realize people are passionate about the space and making it >> better but if we could leave dismissive, explicit, and excessively >> sarcastic commentary out of the discussion that would be excellent to >> everyone. >> >> Secondly the arguments against tearing down the office we already have to >> build a slightly different one in the exact same place are more than just >> "There are other things in need of doing!". Secondly as you pointed out >> tearing down walls is not expensive. Remodeling the now larger space so it >> doesn't look like people ran drunkenly around with sawz-alls and crowbars >> is the expensive part. We have to get: ceiling tile, drywall, paint, >> relocate more outlets(new wiring, boxes, &c), and floor vents for formerly >> wall vents. >> We are losing money and working on a finite time table. Having a >> prioritized list actually does mean we should focus the vast majority of >> our limited time and money on them. They are the projects that need to get >> done in order for SynHak to function come opening day. Getting the main >> workspace up and running should be everyone's main effort. After that's >> done we can and should focus on the 'nice to have' list. >> >> regards, >> Andrew L >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Andrew Buczko >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I shouldn't have to explain this... >>> >>> Every time you start a project you run into expenses. Yes we can recycle >>> what materials we have but there's always something else needed to get the >>> project done. >>> >>> Personally, I'm done with this, so & so already started tearing out the >>> wall, so fuck it! lets just gut the whole fucking place! >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Andy, I also emailed the start of this thread to [email protected], >>>> discuss is what responded first. >>>> >>>> A few questions for you Andy: >>>> >It's a nice little room, we can use for what ever we want, if you >>>> take it away then all we'll have is big empty space. >>>> >>>> It won't be empty, it would be built into the welcome bar. The whole >>>> reason we moved to 48 Summit is because we need more space, are you saying >>>> we now have too much? How does keeping the walls make it less empty? >>>> >>>> >we don't have the money to build new walls. >>>> >>>> Why would we need to build new walls there? Why would a Synhak office >>>> absolutely require walls? If a separate office is needed, a walled off >>>> area right by the front door is not a good place to have one, so a room to >>>> our specifications would need to be constructed anyway but in a different >>>> place at the space as a long term project >>>> >>>> >heck we still have to fix the ceiling first. Plus if you take out the >>>> wall you then have to fix the ceiling, who wants to look at a bunch of >>>> gaps? >>>> >>>> That's a good point. Was this part of the ceiling not included in our >>>> estimates regarding roof repair? What is required to fix it, how much wood? >>>> how much in ceiling tile? Can we get a hardware store to donate the >>>> materials for a donation tax receipt? >>>> >>>> Andrew, you're right remodeling is expensive, we still have plenty of >>>> wood at our disposal and we've reclaimed even more from both 21 W North and >>>> 48 Summit. what do we think are the expenses associated with turning the >>>> room into a welcome area/paperwork repository? And what materials and >>>> expertise do we already have on hand to make it happen? I can think of >>>> floor tileand ceiling repair though I have very little experience with >>>> carpentry and building repair so I couldn't begin to guess how much work >>>> and material would be needed. >>>> >>>> Thank you for sharing. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I thunk it would be nice if that area were a reception type desk >>>>> welcome bar type structure that housed paper work. As far as walks are >>>>> concerned i think half height walls would be nice as this allows people to >>>>> see the whole space but still restricts access to documents. locked >>>>> drawers >>>>> they are only open during filing keeps privacy concerns satisfied but >>>>> still >>>>> allows for any member to get blank forms for visitors. >>>>> >>>>> That said remodeling is expensive, we have other more pressing >>>>> expenses like getting up to code properly installed outlets in the main >>>>> shop so people can hack. I think we need to prioritize our spending and >>>>> realize we can't do it all at the same time. For me removing existing >>>>> infrastructure only to modify it slightly is a frivolous expense we can't >>>>> shots right now. We should save for and do it this year, in the next six >>>>> months money permitting. >>>>> >>>>> Also every project we start now is one more we have to finish by >>>>> opening day. And we already have quite a list. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Andrew L >>>>> On Jan 19, 2014 1:12 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 00:33:16 Omar Rassi wrote: >>>>>> > >1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with the >>>>>> > >>>>>> > closet/shelves? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Torrie's argument is compelling, though I leaned towards keeping >>>>>> the room >>>>>> > as is, I am now indifferent to walls up or down. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? >>>>>> Crafts? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer lab? >>>>>> Lounge? >>>>>> > Etc etc. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I had envisioned a place where Synhak Inc. office could go. A place >>>>>> where >>>>>> > the office of secretary, treasurer, and the champions, could work >>>>>> on the >>>>>> > not so exciting parts of running a non-profit with minimal >>>>>> distraction from >>>>>> > hackers hacking. It would be a room to keep important paper records >>>>>> that we >>>>>> > are required to have on file in a controlled place to prevent >>>>>> tampering >>>>>> > (we've never had an issue with this in the past, its just a >>>>>> perspective of >>>>>> > assurance from a 3rd party perspective i.e. How can we guarantee the >>>>>> > records are true if anyone can walk in and change the paper >>>>>> documents when >>>>>> > a member's back is turned?) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if it >>>>>> does >>>>>> > >>>>>> > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to use >>>>>> the space? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > A bolted and locked file cabinet and appropriate file permissions >>>>>> > (read-write access for officers and champions, read-only access for >>>>>> > everyone else) placed on a workstation designated for office use can >>>>>> > accomplish the same records assurance mentioned above while keeping >>>>>> the >>>>>> > digital copies open and transparent. So perhaps a walled off area >>>>>> may not >>>>>> > be necessary as I previously thought. Objectively thinking about it, >>>>>> > creating a welcome area out of that room would not lessen my desire >>>>>> to use >>>>>> > the space and could provide a wow factor for visitors and guests, I >>>>>> can >>>>>> > think of alternatives to achieve my desired goals for a Synhak Inc. >>>>>> Office. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. It is important that we all try to be as pragmatic as >>>>>> possible when >>>>>> considering how to best allocate the finite volume we have available >>>>>> to us. I >>>>>> feel the quantity of shared space should be maximized as it gives >>>>>> others the >>>>>> broadest canvas that this building can provide, until it becomes more >>>>>> beneficial to the community to do otherwise. >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Torrie Fischer >>>>>> > >>>>>> > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> > > On Saturday, January 18, 2014 22:26:49 Omar Rassi wrote: >>>>>> > > > There may be some miscommunication/misunderstanding about the >>>>>> front room >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > at >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > 48 Summit St. So lets talk about what to do with that room. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > The original plan was to remove all the walls, shelving and >>>>>> cabinetry to >>>>>> > > > give us a large open area to do what we wish with and turn one >>>>>> of its >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > walls >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > into a welcome bar like at the old space. However, it appears >>>>>> that some >>>>>> > > > members want to keep the small office-ish type room for various >>>>>> reasons >>>>>> > > > (each person in favor of keeping the room has a different >>>>>> idea). So lets >>>>>> > > > discuss! >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Key points of discussion: >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > 1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > > closet/shelves? >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > I would prefer to remove the closet side wall of that room and >>>>>> create a >>>>>> > > new >>>>>> > > welcome bar from the other wall of the room by cutting it to only >>>>>> a few >>>>>> > > feet >>>>>> > > tall. This would create a very open and inviting physical space. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > 2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it >>>>>> fulfill? Crafts? >>>>>> > > > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer >>>>>> lab? >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Lounge? >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > Etc etc. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > If someone is intending on turning it into some form of member >>>>>> storage, >>>>>> > > SYNHAK, Inc office, or server closet, I think it would be wise to >>>>>> remember >>>>>> > > that we have a massive basement that has not yet been spoken for >>>>>> in any >>>>>> > > significant capacity and will likely see the smallest fraction of >>>>>> actual >>>>>> > > foot >>>>>> > > traffic in proportion to the floor space. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Additionally, why would you want something so obviously meant to >>>>>> be hidden >>>>>> > > and >>>>>> > > out of the way *immediately next to the front door*? Thats just >>>>>> not good >>>>>> > > feng >>>>>> > > shui. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > 3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if >>>>>> it does >>>>>> > > > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to >>>>>> use the >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > space? >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > I feel it creates a walled off area of a space that is otherwise >>>>>> open to >>>>>> > > everyone. It implies that there is some private part of the space >>>>>> that >>>>>> > > you're >>>>>> > > not allowed to visit, and it is immediately at the front >>>>>> entrance. The >>>>>> > > building already has enough cubicle-dungeon-like attributes >>>>>> without >>>>>> > > functional >>>>>> > > windows up front. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > For reference please see the floorplan of 48 Summit St. at >>>>>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/syncalled.pdf and Synhak's google >>>>>> plus page at >>>>>> > > > https://plus.google.com/104182820750454997283 for pictures of >>>>>> 48 Summit >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > St >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > pre-renovation. The bottom of the floorplan page is where the >>>>>> entrance >>>>>> > > > is >>>>>> > > > (Front door is angled) the room in question is directly to the >>>>>> right of >>>>>> > > > that, the specific wall to come down is to the right of the >>>>>> room's door >>>>>> > > > with the wall closest to the front door being turned into a >>>>>> welcome bar >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > as >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > with the old space. Remember that this is simply discussion >>>>>> where >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > everyone >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > can voice their concerns. Ultimately this should be decided no >>>>>> later >>>>>> > > > than >>>>>> > > > Tuesday's meeting by the membership as per our self-governance >>>>>> process ( >>>>>> > > > https://synhak.org/wiki/Governance) so we can get a move on >>>>>> with this >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > area >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > and once decided put it behind us. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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