On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 14:20:05 Chris Egeland wrote: > I recognize that it's not a proposal, I'm just discussing a concern I > have before we're a month and a half into discussion about the topic. > > I understand the problem that this is attempting to address. I > understand pretty much everything that's been brought up in discussion > about this. > > I just want to know how often you, Andrew, personally think it'll get used.
I'm not Andrew, but I'd use it maybe once or twice every few months. I don't build workbenches every day, though I think I assembled quite a few of the ones we have now. There's a few more workbenches that I'd like to chop up too, but I'm very comfortable with and capable of using a regular circular saw instead of some big-ass piece of equipment. Not having one isn't a problem for me, and having one would only be a minor benefit to me. > > Chris > > On 4/2/2014 1:58 PM, a l wrote: > > This isn't a proposal yet. Just further discussion on an Item that came up > > at the meeting. > > The problem we're trying to solve is large format wood handling. When we > > enclose the machine shop/tool room we either have to expand its footprint, > > get something like a panel saw, or arrange the table saw so wood can be > > outfed through a window/door. > > This is justified by concerns for people who want to build their own, or > > expand SynHak's work bench population. The other concern was that once the > > shop is enclosed there won't be enough room to flip a 4x8' sheet of > > anything. > > I agree $1000 dollars is a lot to spend on something that won't get a lot > > of use. Many of the kits come with everything but the saw so we could > > conceivably dedicate one of our many circular saws to this purpose and > > save > > some money. Perhaps a stop-gap solution is, we build the frame for a pane > > saw but use guide boards rather than the expensive rails and counterweight > > arrangements. This requires more finesse on the operators part but if it's > > an infrequently used too $40 in lumber might be all we are willing to > > spend > > on it. > > As far as the foot print concern, many kits and commercial products have > > shortened or collapsible arms so it only takes up the full 8' when there's > > a board in it. All examples I've suggested are vertical with beds tilted > > at > > high angles so they could be stored against a wall or otherwise placed out > > of the way. > > > > regards, > > Andrew L > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Chris Egeland <[email protected]>wrote: > >> How often do you foresee such a saw being used? We have three or four > >> > >> bandsaws, two tablesaws, countless circular saws, a scroll saw, probably > >> a > >> reciprocating saw or two, and countless other machines that can be used > >> to > >> cut wood. I rarely ever observe any of them being used. Granted, I'm > >> not > >> spending 30 hours a week at the space anymore, either. > >> > >> I ask because if you're talking about something that's going to take up a > >> significant portion of floor space and cost us $1000 or so, I would like > >> to > >> know the answers to these questions before providing input on such a > >> proposal. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> On 4/2/2014 1:22 PM, a l wrote: > >> > >> The price difference for the heavy duty panel saws mostly looks to be > >> quick: change fittings for the saw mount, crosscut capacity, extended > >> length, and various cutting guides like lasers and mid-bed clamps. There > >> are a few kits and add-ons that allow for miter cuts but most panel saws > >> seem to be limited to cross- and rip-cuts. > >> > >> If we want to do complicated cuts perhaps something like a shop-bot is > >> something we should be considering. Some of the kits do offer router > >> mounts > >> but I don't know if their rails are designed for 2-axis motion. > >> > >> -Andrew L > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 02:21:17 a l wrote: > >> > >> Well the lumber yard quality ones do start at 3-5k. But they have long > >> > >> beds/arms and can do off angles. The cheap kits are limited to 90* cuts > >> > >> for > >> > >> the most part and don't have as good of bearings or dust collection > >> > >> options. > >> > >> If I understand correctly, to get non-square cuts, the saw itself usually > >> rotates? > >> > >> I wonder if we could rotate the wood instead by having a ramp of sorts > >> that > >> can be clamped down at various angles. > >> > >> I think there's a balance to be struck, some of the wood working forums > >> > >> suggest buying a kit for the bearings and rails since a bunch of the > >> > >> plans > >> > >> for sale rely on u bolts and emt conduit which may not hold tolerances > >> if > >> > >> someone is ripping the length of a sheet of plywood. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Andrew L > >> > >> On Apr 2, 2014 12:19 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > >> <[email protected]>>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 21:25:42 a l wrote: > >> > >> Before I had to leave the meeting early there was discussion about > >> > >> how > >> > >> to > >> > >> retrofit the machine shop to limit dust &c. In that discussion the > >> > >> topic > >> > >> of > >> > >> > >> plywood/large format wood handling came up and a panel saw like what > >> > >> lumber > >> > >> > >> yards have was suggested. New/Used ones apparently cost thousands of > >> > >> dollars so I sought out a DIY solution. > >> I've found a few kits that come in varying degrees of fully assembled > >> > >> with > >> > >> > >> prices between ~$300-$1000. There are also a few designs for sale > >> > >> from > >> > >> backissues of woodworking magazines($10/issue). Given enough time > >> > >> staring > >> at the ones at the home improvement store and pictures online we > >> > >> could > >> > >> probably make our own without buying plans. Or should we save our > >> > >> time > >> > >> and > >> > >> > >> just buy a kit? > >> > >> At any rate I think it's a viable solution. > >> > >> I did think it was a bit odd to hear that one would cost $5k. > >> > >> Shouldn't be too hard to build one using some rails a saw mount and > >> > >> frame. > >> > >> We're all about building stuff like that anyways, so its odd that we'd > >> > >> think > >> to buy one. > >> > >> http://panelsawsrus.com/ > >> > >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-Sliding-Panel-Saw-Hardware-Kit-/2811910797 > >> 78 > >> > >> http://www.widgetworksunlimited.com/Panel_Saw_DIY_Frame_Kit_p/ww-pane > >> l_saw > >> > >> -d> > >> > >> iy.htm > >> > >> http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2082569/33113/Safety-Speed-Cut-Panel > >> -Pro-> > >> > >> 2 > >> > >> -Saw-Model-PRO2K.aspx http://plansnow.com/dn3099.html > >> > >> http://www.finewoodworking.com/workshop/tip/build-your-own-panel-saw. > >> aspx > >> > >> http://www.rockler.com/woodworking/Panel-Saw-Kit > >> > >> If someone is vehemently against spending the cash and spare circular > >> saw > >> on one we could also situate the table saw near the garage door-side > >> > >> of > >> > >> the > >> > >> > >> shop and just open the planned( they are planned aren't they?) double > >> > >> doors and put an outfeed table in the hallway when we need to make > >> > >> big > >> > >> cuts. > >> > >> happy hacking! > >> Andrew L > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Discuss mailing > >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Discuss mailing > >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing > >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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