I think a panel saw is one of those things that MAY not get used every week BUT when it is used it will make things VERY easy. IMO I would go for a used tool or kit with drop in saw option, rather than a home built unit.
A panel saw is not something that is easy to have at home and therefor a perfect example of tools that fit in at a community garage. Someone entering the space could see it and say "WOW". In addition a panel saw can be safer than a table saw for large pieces as it holds the material and allows the operator to focus on staying clear of the cutting area. (BTW I see a $600 60in panel saw on cleveland craigslist https://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/4381313854.html) On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Chris Egeland <[email protected]>wrote: > > On 4/2/2014 2:38 PM, a l wrote: > > I have no idea how often it would get used. > > Thank you for answering my question. I'm just trying to figure out > whether this is something we should be actively pursuing. If its going to > take up 32 square feet of shop floor space, cost us $1K and never get used > (all are hypothetical figures), then I don't see much of a reason to pursue > discussion much further. But if it's going to cost that much, and be that > large, but get used six times a day and bring in newbies off the street, > then hell yeah, let's find us the nicest damn panel saw we can afford. > > If anyone else wants to provide input on how often they think something > like this would get used, I'm all ears. > > Chris > > I'm barely at the space as it > is. People brought up a problem and solution that was initially thought to > be prohibitively expensive which got me thinking "we're hackers, someone > else has had to have DIY'd one of these before. I wonder how much it > saves?". To me this is one of those things that makes life easier and may > enable people to make projects at SynHak they might not otherwise have > made. > How often do we use the tools we already have? > > In addition to discussing purchasing options this thread is also a place > for people to discuss whether they think it'd be better to buy a panel saw > or expand the machine shop thereby shrinking/displacing the meeting area. > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 14:20:05 Chris Egeland wrote: > > I recognize that it's not a proposal, I'm just discussing a concern I > have before we're a month and a half into discussion about the topic. > > I understand the problem that this is attempting to address. I > understand pretty much everything that's been brought up in discussion > about this. > > I just want to know how often you, Andrew, personally think it'll get > > used. > > I'm not Andrew, but I'd use it maybe once or twice every few months. > > I don't build workbenches every day, though I think I assembled quite a > few of > the ones we have now. > > There's a few more workbenches that I'd like to chop up too, but I'm very > comfortable with and capable of using a regular circular saw instead of > some > big-ass piece of equipment. Not having one isn't a problem for me, and > having > one would only be a minor benefit to me. > > > Chris > > On 4/2/2014 1:58 PM, a l wrote: > > This isn't a proposal yet. Just further discussion on an Item that > > came up > > at the meeting. > The problem we're trying to solve is large format wood handling. When > > we > > enclose the machine shop/tool room we either have to expand its > > footprint, > > get something like a panel saw, or arrange the table saw so wood can be > outfed through a window/door. > This is justified by concerns for people who want to build their own, > > or > > expand SynHak's work bench population. The other concern was that once > > the > > shop is enclosed there won't be enough room to flip a 4x8' sheet of > anything. > I agree $1000 dollars is a lot to spend on something that won't get a > > lot > > of use. Many of the kits come with everything but the saw so we could > conceivably dedicate one of our many circular saws to this purpose and > save > some money. Perhaps a stop-gap solution is, we build the frame for a > > pane > > saw but use guide boards rather than the expensive rails and > > counterweight > > arrangements. This requires more finesse on the operators part but if > > it's > > an infrequently used too $40 in lumber might be all we are willing to > spend > on it. > As far as the foot print concern, many kits and commercial products > > have > > shortened or collapsible arms so it only takes up the full 8' when > > there's > > a board in it. All examples I've suggested are vertical with beds > > tilted > > at > high angles so they could be stored against a wall or otherwise placed > > out > > of the way. > > regards, > Andrew L > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Chris Egeland > > <[email protected]> <[email protected]>wrote: > > How often do you foresee such a saw being used? We have three or > > four > > bandsaws, two tablesaws, countless circular saws, a scroll saw, > > probably > > a > reciprocating saw or two, and countless other machines that can be > > used > > to > cut wood. I rarely ever observe any of them being used. Granted, I'm > not > spending 30 hours a week at the space anymore, either. > > I ask because if you're talking about something that's going to take > > up a > > significant portion of floor space and cost us $1000 or so, I would > > like > > to > know the answers to these questions before providing input on such a > proposal. > > Chris > > > On 4/2/2014 1:22 PM, a l wrote: > > The price difference for the heavy duty panel saws mostly looks to be > quick: change fittings for the saw mount, crosscut capacity, extended > length, and various cutting guides like lasers and mid-bed clamps. > > There > > are a few kits and add-ons that allow for miter cuts but most panel > > saws > > seem to be limited to cross- and rip-cuts. > > If we want to do complicated cuts perhaps something like a shop-bot is > something we should be considering. Some of the kits do offer router > mounts > but I don't know if their rails are designed for 2-axis motion. > > -Andrew L > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Torrie Fischer < > > [email protected]><[email protected]> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 02:21:17 a l wrote: > > Well the lumber yard quality ones do start at 3-5k. But they have > > long > > beds/arms and can do off angles. The cheap kits are limited to 90* > > cuts > > for > > the most part and don't have as good of bearings or dust collection > > options. > > If I understand correctly, to get non-square cuts, the saw itself > > usually > > rotates? > > I wonder if we could rotate the wood instead by having a ramp of sorts > that > can be clamped down at various angles. > > I think there's a balance to be struck, some of the wood working > > forums > > suggest buying a kit for the bearings and rails since a bunch of the > > plans > > for sale rely on u bolts and emt conduit which may not hold > > tolerances > > if > > someone is ripping the length of a sheet of plywood. > > Regards, > Andrew L > > On Apr 2, 2014 12:19 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > <[email protected]><[email protected]> > <[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 21:25:42 a l wrote: > > Before I had to leave the meeting early there was discussion about > > how > > to > > retrofit the machine shop to limit dust &c. In that discussion the > > topic > > of > > > plywood/large format wood handling came up and a panel saw like what > > lumber > > > yards have was suggested. New/Used ones apparently cost thousands of > > dollars so I sought out a DIY solution. > I've found a few kits that come in varying degrees of fully assembled > > with > > > prices between ~$300-$1000. There are also a few designs for sale > > from > > backissues of woodworking magazines($10/issue). Given enough time > > staring > at the ones at the home improvement store and pictures online we > > could > > probably make our own without buying plans. Or should we save our > > time > > and > > > just buy a kit? > > At any rate I think it's a viable solution. > > I did think it was a bit odd to hear that one would cost $5k. > > Shouldn't be too hard to build one using some rails a saw mount and > > frame. > > We're all about building stuff like that anyways, so its odd that > > we'd > > think > to buy one. > > http://panelsawsrus.com/ > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-Sliding-Panel-Saw-Hardware-Kit-/2811910797 > > 78 > > > > http://www.widgetworksunlimited.com/Panel_Saw_DIY_Frame_Kit_p/ww-pane > > l_saw > > -d> > > iy.htm > > > > http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2082569/33113/Safety-Speed-Cut-Panel > > -Pro-> > > 2 > > -Saw-Model-PRO2K.aspx http://plansnow.com/dn3099.html > > http://www.finewoodworking.com/workshop/tip/build-your-own-panel-saw. > > aspx > > http://www.rockler.com/woodworking/Panel-Saw-Kit > > If someone is vehemently against spending the cash and spare circular > saw > on one we could also situate the table saw near the garage door-side > > of > > the > > > shop and just open the planned( they are planned aren't they?) > > double > > doors and put an outfeed table in the hallway when we need to make > > big > > cuts. > > happy hacking! > Andrew L > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss > [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>> > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss > [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss > [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing > [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing > [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing > [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing > [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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