About that link: If someone handed me $600 and said "make this" I would most likely be delivering it in a shiny new $500 work truck :)
On use of the saw: Count me as once a month Agreed if it was built well (machined mounts, steel or at least allthread construction, 0 wood used to build it, a laser pointer on the front of one of our circ saws), it would have a high wows per $ factor It sounds like fun to design, so I'm gunna over the next week. On Apr 2, 2014 3:27 PM, "Justin Herman" <[email protected]> wrote: > I think a panel saw is one of those things that MAY not get used every > week BUT when it is used it will make things VERY easy. IMO I would go for > a used tool or kit with drop in saw option, rather than a home built unit. > > A panel saw is not something that is easy to have at home and therefor a > perfect example of tools that fit in at a community garage. Someone > entering the space could see it and say "WOW". > > In addition a panel saw can be safer than a table saw for large pieces as > it holds the material and allows the operator to focus on staying clear of > the cutting area. > > (BTW I see a $600 60in panel saw on cleveland craigslist > https://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/4381313854.html) > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Chris Egeland <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> On 4/2/2014 2:38 PM, a l wrote: >> >> I have no idea how often it would get used. >> >> Thank you for answering my question. I'm just trying to figure out >> whether this is something we should be actively pursuing. If its going to >> take up 32 square feet of shop floor space, cost us $1K and never get used >> (all are hypothetical figures), then I don't see much of a reason to pursue >> discussion much further. But if it's going to cost that much, and be that >> large, but get used six times a day and bring in newbies off the street, >> then hell yeah, let's find us the nicest damn panel saw we can afford. >> >> If anyone else wants to provide input on how often they think something >> like this would get used, I'm all ears. >> >> Chris >> >> I'm barely at the space as it >> is. People brought up a problem and solution that was initially thought to >> be prohibitively expensive which got me thinking "we're hackers, someone >> else has had to have DIY'd one of these before. I wonder how much it >> saves?". To me this is one of those things that makes life easier and may >> enable people to make projects at SynHak they might not otherwise have >> made. >> How often do we use the tools we already have? >> >> In addition to discussing purchasing options this thread is also a place >> for people to discuss whether they think it'd be better to buy a panel saw >> or expand the machine shop thereby shrinking/displacing the meeting area. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 14:20:05 Chris Egeland wrote: >> >> I recognize that it's not a proposal, I'm just discussing a concern I >> have before we're a month and a half into discussion about the topic. >> >> I understand the problem that this is attempting to address. I >> understand pretty much everything that's been brought up in discussion >> about this. >> >> I just want to know how often you, Andrew, personally think it'll get >> >> used. >> >> I'm not Andrew, but I'd use it maybe once or twice every few months. >> >> I don't build workbenches every day, though I think I assembled quite a >> few of >> the ones we have now. >> >> There's a few more workbenches that I'd like to chop up too, but I'm very >> comfortable with and capable of using a regular circular saw instead of >> some >> big-ass piece of equipment. Not having one isn't a problem for me, and >> having >> one would only be a minor benefit to me. >> >> >> Chris >> >> On 4/2/2014 1:58 PM, a l wrote: >> >> This isn't a proposal yet. Just further discussion on an Item that >> >> came up >> >> at the meeting. >> The problem we're trying to solve is large format wood handling. When >> >> we >> >> enclose the machine shop/tool room we either have to expand its >> >> footprint, >> >> get something like a panel saw, or arrange the table saw so wood can be >> outfed through a window/door. >> This is justified by concerns for people who want to build their own, >> >> or >> >> expand SynHak's work bench population. The other concern was that once >> >> the >> >> shop is enclosed there won't be enough room to flip a 4x8' sheet of >> anything. >> I agree $1000 dollars is a lot to spend on something that won't get a >> >> lot >> >> of use. Many of the kits come with everything but the saw so we could >> conceivably dedicate one of our many circular saws to this purpose and >> save >> some money. Perhaps a stop-gap solution is, we build the frame for a >> >> pane >> >> saw but use guide boards rather than the expensive rails and >> >> counterweight >> >> arrangements. This requires more finesse on the operators part but if >> >> it's >> >> an infrequently used too $40 in lumber might be all we are willing to >> spend >> on it. >> As far as the foot print concern, many kits and commercial products >> >> have >> >> shortened or collapsible arms so it only takes up the full 8' when >> >> there's >> >> a board in it. All examples I've suggested are vertical with beds >> >> tilted >> >> at >> high angles so they could be stored against a wall or otherwise placed >> >> out >> >> of the way. >> >> regards, >> Andrew L >> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Chris Egeland >> >> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> How often do you foresee such a saw being used? We have three or >> >> four >> >> bandsaws, two tablesaws, countless circular saws, a scroll saw, >> >> probably >> >> a >> reciprocating saw or two, and countless other machines that can be >> >> used >> >> to >> cut wood. I rarely ever observe any of them being used. Granted, I'm >> not >> spending 30 hours a week at the space anymore, either. >> >> I ask because if you're talking about something that's going to take >> >> up a >> >> significant portion of floor space and cost us $1000 or so, I would >> >> like >> >> to >> know the answers to these questions before providing input on such a >> proposal. >> >> Chris >> >> >> On 4/2/2014 1:22 PM, a l wrote: >> >> The price difference for the heavy duty panel saws mostly looks to be >> quick: change fittings for the saw mount, crosscut capacity, extended >> length, and various cutting guides like lasers and mid-bed clamps. >> >> There >> >> are a few kits and add-ons that allow for miter cuts but most panel >> >> saws >> >> seem to be limited to cross- and rip-cuts. >> >> If we want to do complicated cuts perhaps something like a shop-bot is >> something we should be considering. Some of the kits do offer router >> mounts >> but I don't know if their rails are designed for 2-axis motion. >> >> -Andrew L >> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Torrie Fischer < >> >> [email protected]><[email protected]> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 02:21:17 a l wrote: >> >> Well the lumber yard quality ones do start at 3-5k. But they have >> >> long >> >> beds/arms and can do off angles. The cheap kits are limited to 90* >> >> cuts >> >> for >> >> the most part and don't have as good of bearings or dust collection >> >> options. >> >> If I understand correctly, to get non-square cuts, the saw itself >> >> usually >> >> rotates? >> >> I wonder if we could rotate the wood instead by having a ramp of sorts >> that >> can be clamped down at various angles. >> >> I think there's a balance to be struck, some of the wood working >> >> forums >> >> suggest buying a kit for the bearings and rails since a bunch of the >> >> plans >> >> for sale rely on u bolts and emt conduit which may not hold >> >> tolerances >> >> if >> >> someone is ripping the length of a sheet of plywood. >> >> Regards, >> Andrew L >> >> On Apr 2, 2014 12:19 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]><[email protected]> >> <[email protected]>>> >> wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 21:25:42 a l wrote: >> >> Before I had to leave the meeting early there was discussion about >> >> how >> >> to >> >> retrofit the machine shop to limit dust &c. In that discussion the >> >> topic >> >> of >> >> >> plywood/large format wood handling came up and a panel saw like what >> >> lumber >> >> >> yards have was suggested. New/Used ones apparently cost thousands of >> >> dollars so I sought out a DIY solution. >> I've found a few kits that come in varying degrees of fully assembled >> >> with >> >> >> prices between ~$300-$1000. There are also a few designs for sale >> >> from >> >> backissues of woodworking magazines($10/issue). Given enough time >> >> staring >> at the ones at the home improvement store and pictures online we >> >> could >> >> probably make our own without buying plans. Or should we save our >> >> time >> >> and >> >> >> just buy a kit? >> >> At any rate I think it's a viable solution. >> >> I did think it was a bit odd to hear that one would cost $5k. >> >> Shouldn't be too hard to build one using some rails a saw mount and >> >> frame. >> >> We're all about building stuff like that anyways, so its odd that >> >> we'd >> >> think >> to buy one. >> >> http://panelsawsrus.com/ >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-Sliding-Panel-Saw-Hardware-Kit-/2811910797 >> >> 78 >> >> >> >> http://www.widgetworksunlimited.com/Panel_Saw_DIY_Frame_Kit_p/ww-pane >> >> l_saw >> >> -d> >> >> iy.htm >> >> >> >> http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2082569/33113/Safety-Speed-Cut-Panel >> >> -Pro-> >> >> 2 >> >> -Saw-Model-PRO2K.aspx http://plansnow.com/dn3099.html >> >> http://www.finewoodworking.com/workshop/tip/build-your-own-panel-saw. >> >> aspx >> >> http://www.rockler.com/woodworking/Panel-Saw-Kit >> >> If someone is vehemently against spending the cash and spare circular >> saw >> on one we could also situate the table saw near the garage door-side >> >> of >> >> the >> >> >> shop and just open the planned( they are planned aren't they?) >> >> double >> >> doors and put an outfeed table in the hallway when we need to make >> >> big >> >> cuts. >> >> happy hacking! >> Andrew L >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Discuss >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Discuss >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing >> [email protected]https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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