"A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am."
I find the above comment repulsive. I know of no one that is defining you by your genitals except for you constantly bringing it up. -Steve From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:09:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 16:40:36 Omar Rassi wrote: > That email was meant to be sent to members@ as was requested. By those who > were present. I asked the room if there was issues with it. No one said > anything, it was even suggested to me by another member (not Chris or > Torrie) that I add the preface I wrote at the beginning of it. This > confused me because we are always talking about how we don't want the dirty > laundry out in the open but when steps are taken to handle particular > issues without escalation to the public, the champions get intentionally > ignored and its viewed as as a backdoor gang up on someone else that > suddenly needs transparency. It isn't mine or the champions or Torrie's > fault if people don't listen to each other. I've been trying rather > unsuccessfully to help people see issues differently and to encourage > discussion between individuals. The biggest issue i'm seeing is that people > just aren't listening each other, just simply waiting for their turn to > speak. These issues won't go away no matter who comes, goes, or gets > removed so long as we aren't willing to hear each other and process what is > said. This is evidenced by people criticizing lengthy emails, criticizing > people who take more time to complete their thoughts in a sentence, > ignoring solutions that don't involve punishing people or pointing fingers > and outright dismissal of ideas because they don't like the individual > presenting it or the premise without presenting a solution of their own > going forward. I honestly wanted to make another push along with Andrew L, > its still a draft email I'm polishing. But I challenge each of you to look > at yourselves in the mirror today and ask yourselves, "what makes me > happy?" And "what could I have done differently for a more excellent > outcome?" Don't think about what other people can do differently, remember > that you can only control what you do as an individual, so start there. What makes me happy? A safe space that I feel comfortable visiting. A place where I don't feel like I'm going to get my head bitten off for asking where to put the vacuum former. A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. A group of people who can judge people based on the value of their contributions and not the quantity of them or their personal perception of the balance of power. A mailing list where I can write complete thoughts and not be told that I'm trying to cause drama or that my mails are too long to consider reading, or maybe actually get the issue at hand addressed. What could I have done differently for a more excellent outcome? Encouraged campaigning among the officer and board candidates to figure out what they /really/ want. Ignored any semblance of transparency, since I got the same result in the end. Never sponsored Justin. Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace. > > On Apr 30, 2014 3:51 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I feel that I have to reply to this as I was specifically named. > > > > One I have to say that if you were truly on hiatus then you would have > > delegated your duties to someone else as you would have no dealings with > > SYNHAK during the hiatus. I find it quite childish that you would act this > > way when no one has officially proposed that you be removed from SYNHAK > > but > > just from your office as treasurer. Seeing as it is quite obvious that you > > have not been performing your duties and specifically targeting those you > > have a rocky relationship with from receiving reimbursement for expenses > > they've taken on in order to improve SYNHAK because it takes too long to > > obtain the funds upfront through the treasurer. That in and of itself is > > grounds from being removed from the position. There are people who would > > like to apply for membership but feel that you, Torrie, would personally > > target and block their application based on personal reasons that have no > > affect on whether they should be a member or not. > > > > Also going out and calling Andy B. a mental midget is quite unexcellent > > and something SYNHAK should not tolerate. I also find it unexcellent that > > that email was made public as it was sent under the assumption that it was > > to remain private. > > > > Next comes your specifically naming me, which I find quite ridiculous. Not > > only were you unaware of my personal beliefs for 7/8 months, we have had > > meals together, hung out outside of SYNHAK, and have helped me and Matt > > out > > at OSC for which we are very thankful for. I find it quite sad that you > > can't get over the fact that some people have different life experiences, > > beliefs, values, thoughts, etc than you do and treat them with respect, as > > I have treated you. Not once has anyone at SYNHAK, to my knowledge, > > treated > > you differently or horribly based on the fact that you are transgendering, > > and neither have I. Bring up a what I admit was horribly worded as > > evidence > > as such is pathetic. > > > > Also in response to the proposal that I posted and was passed by the > > membership, you removed your block of it saying that you wanted to see how > > it would work, under the condition that I would keep track of proposals > > for > > a few months to monitor the procedures. If you had such serious issues > > with > > it, to the point where you go on slack and say that you are just going to > > completely ignore them and do-ocracy everything until it becomes a problem > > is something that I have serious issue with. Instead of trying to > > understand how they work, ask me or others questions of issues with the > > new > > procedure you just completely ignore them. Very unexcellent. > > > > Seeing as this has not been an issue, and is only an issue because you > > continue to make it so I don't see any valid reason to feel unsafe as > > again > > no one has threatened or treated you differently, and doing so would be > > unexcellent as well. > > > > Should you notify those outside of the issues we've had I think that it > > would be very unfair to the whole situation as you would be showing only > > one side, not to mention they could access the website and get any details > > they would need regarding it, and come to a meeting and ask the membership > > about it. Plus if you are really so tired of the issue then PLEASE stop > > bringing up the past, it has been settled and should no longer be an > > issue. > > Seeing as in the past we've had drugs left on a ledge in an open truck > > dock > > available for anyone passing by to see is a serious issue that should be > > addressed and failing to do so does not help SYNHAK as a community. I feel > > that a drug policy would be a plus and have a feeling other organizations > > would not see it as a negative either. > > > > Personally, with the way you've responded in the past and to this I would > > want you removed from the community completely, but would prefer to at > > least wait until the board meeting Monday so that you may have a chance to > > speak and hopefully have these issues resolved so it wouldn't come to > > that. > > I do not know who you talk to, but last night I talked to at least half of > > the membership and the name that kept popping up as causing an issue at > > SYNHAK is not mine, nor is it Andy, it is you, Torrie. You are either > > delusional, or just fail to accept the obvious that you have been acting > > in > > a manner that is not constructive to the community and are the root of a > > lot of problems here at SYNHAK. I agree that we can fix it and we are > > trying to, I just feel that the solution is one that you are not going to > > like, especially if you feel the need to keep calling people out and > > personally attacking them. > > > > I am quite sad that it has come to this, as I considered you a friend but > > I can not any longer. I can certainly get a long with you at the space, > > and > > act civilly but I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for you and see > > no way of that changing unless you change your attitude. > > > > -Steve > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:29:22 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus > > > > On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 13:35:52 a l wrote: > > > I was only at a portion of the meeting and it was civil and productive > > > while I was there, but I'm curious as to what drama you think you have > > > caused? > > > > And *that* is the response to me explaining why SYNHAK has a toxic > > environment that pushes people away? > > > > Not calling out people for being offensive? > > > > No suggestion that maybe the reasons I'm upset have validity and should be > > discussed? > > > > No desire to figure out who is telling Andy B that my "behavior" is due to > > biochemical processes found in every female on the planet? > > > > Your concern is about whether or not I think I'm a source of drama? > > > > Right, ok. > > > > RIP SYNHAK. Killed by bystander apathy. > > > > > Regards, > > > Andrew L > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2014 12:49 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hey, SYNHAK. > > > > > > > > Its only been 8 days but I see that even when I'm not around I somehow > > > > cause > > > > drama. I think Einstein called that "Spooky Action at a Distance". > > > > SYNHAK > > > > and > > > > I are forever entangled at the quantum level. > > > > > > > > My inbox is full of people asking for details about why I went on > > > > hiatus. > > > > I'm > > > > also aware of a board vote to remove me from my office of Treasurer, > > > > so I > > > > figure that I might as well join the fun and burn some bridges while I > > > > go > > > > down > > > > in beautiful crimson flames. An ex-synhakker (we've got those now!) > > > > told > > > > me > > > > that SYNHAK seems to have a pattern of taking Treasurers and stomping > > > > the > > > > ever-living crap out of them, so I'm obligated to take this > > > > personally. > > > > > > > > I'd like to start with this wonderful snippet that was sent to > > > > [email protected], which caused me to ragequit: > > > > > > > > ----8<---- > > > > Andrew Buczko <[email protected]> > > > > Mar 11 > > > > to me > > > > I'd like to resolve this issue by having Torie (Trevor Fisher) put on > > > > suspension from SynHak (this will include SynHak's mailing lists and > > > > any > > > > other service) for a giving amount of time. > > > > > > > > I feel that she needs time to cool off for 3 months, 6 months a year? > > > > I'll > > > > leave the time period up to the champions. Or at least until her sex > > > > change > > > > is done (since it has been brought up to me that this "behavior" of > > > > her's > > > > is due to her taking hormones. ) <-- not mentioned before since it's > > > > none > > > > of my business. > > > > > > > > Hormones or not, the other members and the community should not have > > > > to > > > > suffer because of her antics. > > > > Andy > > > > ---->8---- > > > > > > > > Remember, folks: you voted this mental midget of a person onto the > > > > board > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > Lets not forget this other gem from a previous discussion with Steve > > > > Radonich > > > > concerning my efforts to make SYNHAK a Safe Space: > > > > > > > > ----8<---- > > > > Even if someone was a raging transphobe how would we know? I don't > > > > think > > > > it > > > > really has any bearing on whether they're going to be a member or not > > > > as > > > > long > > > > as they can keep civil and not let their personal feelings or beliefs > > > > keep > > > > them from getting a long with, at the very least putting up with > > > > someone > > > > who > > > > might be transexual. I highly doubt anyone at SYNHAK would think that > > > > is > > > > funny > > > > and find it offensive that you would even think that. > > > > ---->8---- > > > > > > > > Remember, folks: I'm someone who should be put up with! You all > > > > decided to > > > > go > > > > along with his plan to introduce more rules and bureaucracy to stop > > > > someone > > > > from forcing the community to address a situation where they feel > > > > completely > > > > unsafe! > > > > > > > > I could also copy in some discussions I've had with folks around the > > > > 'net > > > > about the rack situation, but frankly I'm just tired of it and would > > > > prefer to > > > > notify the Akron Community Foundation, our insurance, the city's > > > > economic > > > > development team, Akron Public Library, and really any of the other > > > > organizations in the area that come to me asking about getting > > > > involved > > > > with > > > > details about the corruption in our board brought in by Justin and > > > > Devin. > > > > I'm > > > > sure they would also all love to hear about how the board feels that > > > > we've > > > > got > > > > enough of a drug problem to enact a drug policy. > > > > > > > > When we started SYNHAK, we wanted to be better than noisebridge. > > > > Judging > > > > by > > > > the reactions of others when I explain the situation, I think we've > > > > succeeded > > > > in being a better drama mill than noisebridge: > > > > > > > > <jontyw> London is measured in millinoisebridges > > > > <evanmcc> that's totally rotten > > > > <jontyw> Sounds like you're at at least several noisebridges > > > > <evanmcc> "look, you've gotten dangerously close to me having to enage > > > > any > > > > empathy and for that I am going to punish you forever" > > > > > > > > Congrats! I'm so proud of everyone. We are now (in)famous within the > > > > hacker > > > > communities. > > > > > > > > Community, you've got the power to change this and fix things. SYNHAK > > > > doesn't > > > > have to have this shit. It can really be a nice place where everyone > > > > feels > > > > safe and there aren't constant power struggles between those who hate > > > > rules > > > > and those who wish to rule with an iron fist. I was hoping I could > > > > step > > > > away > > > > for a month or two, take a well deserved vacation, and come back to a > > > > hackerspace that is not on fire. > > > > > > > > Looks like I was totally wrong :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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