Wait, what did Justin do? All I've seen from him is a willingness to help and a voice of reason. Is this about the storage racks again? Or was there something else? On Apr 30, 2014 6:52 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as > if > > my genitals define who I am." > > I find the above comment repulsive. I know of no one that is defining you by > your genitals except for you constantly bringing it up. > > -Steve > > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:09:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus > > On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 16:40:36 Omar Rassi wrote: > > That email was meant to be sent to members@ as was requested. By those who > > were present. I asked the room if there was issues with it. No one said > > anything, it was even suggested to me by another member (not Chris or > > Torrie) that I add the preface I wrote at the beginning of it. This > > confused me because we are always talking about how we don't want the dirty > > laundry out in the open but when steps are taken to handle particular > > issues without escalation to the public, the champions get intentionally > > ignored and its viewed as as a backdoor gang up on someone else that > > suddenly needs transparency. It isn't mine or the champions or Torrie's > > fault if people don't listen to each other. I've been trying rather > > unsuccessfully to help people see issues differently and to encourage > > discussion between individuals. The biggest issue i'm seeing is that people > > just aren't listening each other, just simply waiting for their turn to > > speak. These issues won't go away no matter who comes, goes, or gets > > removed so long as we aren't willing to hear each other and process what is > > said. This is evidenced by people criticizing lengthy emails, criticizing > > people who take more time to complete their thoughts in a sentence, > > ignoring solutions that don't involve punishing people or pointing fingers > > and outright dismissal of ideas because they don't like the individual > > presenting it or the premise without presenting a solution of their own > > going forward. I honestly wanted to make another push along with Andrew L, > > its still a draft email I'm polishing. But I challenge each of you to look > > at yourselves in the mirror today and ask yourselves, "what makes me > > happy?" And "what could I have done differently for a more excellent > > outcome?" Don't think about what other people can do differently, remember > > that you can only control what you do as an individual, so start there. > > What makes me happy? > > A safe space that I feel comfortable visiting. > > A place where I don't feel like I'm going to get my head bitten off for asking > where to put the vacuum former. > > A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if > my genitals define who I am. > > A group of people who can judge people based on the value of their > contributions and not the quantity of them or their personal perception of the > balance of power. > > A mailing list where I can write complete thoughts and not be told that I'm > trying to cause drama or that my mails are too long to consider reading, or > maybe actually get the issue at hand addressed. > > > What could I have done differently for a more excellent outcome? > > Encouraged campaigning among the officer and board candidates to figure out > what they /really/ want. > > Ignored any semblance of transparency, since I got the same result in the end. > > Never sponsored Justin. > > Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace. > > > > > On Apr 30, 2014 3:51 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I feel that I have to reply to this as I was specifically named. > > > > > > One I have to say that if you were truly on hiatus then you would have > > > delegated your duties to someone else as you would have no dealings with > > > SYNHAK during the hiatus. I find it quite childish that you would act this > > > way when no one has officially proposed that you be removed from SYNHAK > > > but > > > just from your office as treasurer. Seeing as it is quite obvious that you > > > have not been performing your duties and specifically targeting those you > > > have a rocky relationship with from receiving reimbursement for expenses > > > they've taken on in order to improve SYNHAK because it takes too long to > > > obtain the funds upfront through the treasurer. That in and of itself is > > > grounds from being removed from the position. There are people who would > > > like to apply for membership but feel that you, Torrie, would personally > > > target and block their application based on personal reasons that have no > > > affect on whether they should be a member or not. > > > > > > Also going out and calling Andy B. a mental midget is quite unexcellent > > > and something SYNHAK should not tolerate. I also find it unexcellent that > > > that email was made public as it was sent under the assumption that it was > > > to remain private. > > > > > > Next comes your specifically naming me, which I find quite ridiculous. Not > > > only were you unaware of my personal beliefs for 7/8 months, we have had > > > meals together, hung out outside of SYNHAK, and have helped me and Matt > > > out > > > at OSC for which we are very thankful for. I find it quite sad that you > > > can't get over the fact that some people have different life experiences, > > > beliefs, values, thoughts, etc than you do and treat them with respect, as > > > I have treated you. Not once has anyone at SYNHAK, to my knowledge, > > > treated > > > you differently or horribly based on the fact that you are transgendering, > > > and neither have I. Bring up a what I admit was horribly worded as > > > evidence > > > as such is pathetic. > > > > > > Also in response to the proposal that I posted and was passed by the > > > membership, you removed your block of it saying that you wanted to see how > > > it would work, under the condition that I would keep track of proposals > > > for > > > a few months to monitor the procedures. If you had such serious issues > > > with > > > it, to the point where you go on slack and say that you are just going to > > > completely ignore them and do-ocracy everything until it becomes a problem > > > is something that I have serious issue with. Instead of trying to > > > understand how they work, ask me or others questions of issues with the > > > new > > > procedure you just completely ignore them. Very unexcellent. > > > > > > Seeing as this has not been an issue, and is only an issue because you > > > continue to make it so I don't see any valid reason to feel unsafe as > > > again > > > no one has threatened or treated you differently, and doing so would be > > > unexcellent as well. > > > > > > Should you notify those outside of the issues we've had I think that it > > > would be very unfair to the whole situation as you would be showing only > > > one side, not to mention they could access the website and get any details > > > they would need regarding it, and come to a meeting and ask the membership > > > about it. Plus if you are really so tired of the issue then PLEASE stop > > > bringing up the past, it has been settled and should no longer be an > > > issue. > > > Seeing as in the past we've had drugs left on a ledge in an open truck > > > dock > > > available for anyone passing by to see is a serious issue that should be > > > addressed and failing to do so does not help SYNHAK as a community. I feel > > > that a drug policy would be a plus and have a feeling other organizations > > > would not see it as a negative either. > > > > > > Personally, with the way you've responded in the past and to this I would > > > want you removed from the community completely, but would prefer to at > > > least wait until the board meeting Monday so that you may have a chance to > > > speak and hopefully have these issues resolved so it wouldn't come to > > > that. > > > I do not know who you talk to, but last night I talked to at least half of > > > the membership and the name that kept popping up as causing an issue at > > > SYNHAK is not mine, nor is it Andy, it is you, Torrie. You are either > > > delusional, or just fail to accept the obvious that you have been acting > > > in > > > a manner that is not constructive to the community and are the root of a > > > lot of problems here at SYNHAK. I agree that we can fix it and we are > > > trying to, I just feel that the solution is one that you are not going to > > > like, especially if you feel the need to keep calling people out and > > > personally attacking them. > > > > > > I am quite sad that it has come to this, as I considered you a friend but > > > I can not any longer. I can certainly get a long with you at the space, > > > and > > > act civilly but I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for you and see > > > no way of that changing unless you change your attitude. > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:29:22 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 13:35:52 a l wrote: > > > > I was only at a portion of the meeting and it was civil and productive > > > > while I was there, but I'm curious as to what drama you think you have > > > > caused? > > > > > > And *that* is the response to me explaining why SYNHAK has a toxic > > > environment that pushes people away? > > > > > > Not calling out people for being offensive? > > > > > > No suggestion that maybe the reasons I'm upset have validity and should be > > > discussed? > > > > > > No desire to figure out who is telling Andy B that my "behavior" is due to > > > biochemical processes found in every female on the planet? > > > > > > Your concern is about whether or not I think I'm a source of drama? > > > > > > Right, ok. > > > > > > RIP SYNHAK. Killed by bystander apathy. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew L > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2014 12:49 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hey, SYNHAK. > > > > > > > > > > Its only been 8 days but I see that even when I'm not around I somehow > > > > > cause > > > > > drama. I think Einstein called that "Spooky Action at a Distance". > > > > > SYNHAK > > > > > and > > > > > I are forever entangled at the quantum level. > > > > > > > > > > My inbox is full of people asking for details about why I went on > > > > > hiatus. > > > > > I'm > > > > > also aware of a board vote to remove me from my office of Treasurer, > > > > > so I > > > > > figure that I might as well join the fun and burn some bridges while I > > > > > go > > > > > down > > > > > in beautiful crimson flames. An ex-synhakker (we've got those now!) > > > > > told > > > > > me > > > > > that SYNHAK seems to have a pattern of taking Treasurers and stomping > > > > > the > > > > > ever-living crap out of them, so I'm obligated to take this > > > > > personally. > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to start with this wonderful snippet that was sent to > > > > > [email protected], which caused me to ragequit: > > > > > > > > > > ----8<---- > > > > > Andrew Buczko <[email protected]> > > > > > Mar 11 > > > > > to me > > > > > I'd like to resolve this issue by having Torie (Trevor Fisher) put on > > > > > suspension from SynHak (this will include SynHak's mailing lists and > > > > > any > > > > > other service) for a giving amount of time. > > > > > > > > > > I feel that she needs time to cool off for 3 months, 6 months a year? > > > > > I'll > > > > > leave the time period up to the champions. Or at least until her sex > > > > > change > > > > > is done (since it has been brought up to me that this "behavior" of > > > > > her's > > > > > is due to her taking hormones. ) <-- not mentioned before since it's > > > > > none > > > > > of my business. > > > > > > > > > > Hormones or not, the other members and the community should not have > > > > > to > > > > > suffer because of her antics. > > > > > Andy > > > > > ---->8---- > > > > > > > > > > Remember, folks: you voted this mental midget of a person onto the > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > Lets not forget this other gem from a previous discussion with Steve > > > > > Radonich > > > > > concerning my efforts to make SYNHAK a Safe Space: > > > > > > > > > > ----8<---- > > > > > Even if someone was a raging transphobe how would we know? I don't > > > > > think > > > > > it > > > > > really has any bearing on whether they're going to be a member or not > > > > > as > > > > > long > > > > > as they can keep civil and not let their personal feelings or beliefs > > > > > keep > > > > > them from getting a long with, at the very least putting up with > > > > > someone > > > > > who > > > > > might be transexual. I highly doubt anyone at SYNHAK would think that > > > > > is > > > > > funny > > > > > and find it offensive that you would even think that. > > > > > ---->8---- > > > > > > > > > > Remember, folks: I'm someone who should be put up with! You all > > > > > decided to > > > > > go > > > > > along with his plan to introduce more rules and bureaucracy to stop > > > > > someone > > > > > from forcing the community to address a situation where they feel > > > > > completely > > > > > unsafe! > > > > > > > > > > I could also copy in some discussions I've had with folks around the > > > > > 'net > > > > > about the rack situation, but frankly I'm just tired of it and would > > > > > prefer to > > > > > notify the Akron Community Foundation, our insurance, the city's > > > > > economic > > > > > development team, Akron Public Library, and really any of the other > > > > > organizations in the area that come to me asking about getting > > > > > involved > > > > > with > > > > > details about the corruption in our board brought in by Justin and > > > > > Devin. > > > > > I'm > > > > > sure they would also all love to hear about how the board feels that > > > > > we've > > > > > got > > > > > enough of a drug problem to enact a drug policy. > > > > > > > > > > When we started SYNHAK, we wanted to be better than noisebridge. > > > > > Judging > > > > > by > > > > > the reactions of others when I explain the situation, I think we've > > > > > succeeded > > > > > in being a better drama mill than noisebridge: > > > > > > > > > > <jontyw> London is measured in millinoisebridges > > > > > <evanmcc> that's totally rotten > > > > > <jontyw> Sounds like you're at at least several noisebridges > > > > > <evanmcc> "look, you've gotten dangerously close to me having to enage > > > > > any > > > > > empathy and for that I am going to punish you forever" > > > > > > > > > > Congrats! I'm so proud of everyone. We are now (in)famous within the > > > > > hacker > > > > > communities. > > > > > > > > > > Community, you've got the power to change this and fix things. SYNHAK > > > > > doesn't > > > > > have to have this shit. It can really be a nice place where everyone > > > > > feels > > > > > safe and there aren't constant power struggles between those who hate > > > > > rules > > > > > and those who wish to rule with an iron fist. I was hoping I could > > > > > step > > > > > away > > > > > for a month or two, take a well deserved vacation, and come back to a > > > > > hackerspace that is not on fire. > > > > > > > > > > Looks like I was totally wrong :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list > [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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