Regardless of the intended viewer intentional improper use of pronouns and various other inflammatory comments about a persons life style are not ok.
Part of being "excellent to each other" is being respectful while disagreeing with a persons actions. Regards, Andrew L On May 1, 2014 3:51 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <[email protected]> wrote: > My complaint about you Torie was built up over time from all of the things > that I was trying to work out, deal with or just let slide. But as you can > see by the complaint it has added up to a point that it was to much for me > as a member to deal with. At the time, I was not a board member so I sent > the complaint to what would be my superiors, the champions. It was never > meant for you or anyone else to see. > > You really need to stop with the name calling. > > I agree with Steve " it is you, Torrie. You are either delusional, or > just fail to accept the obvious that you have been acting in a manner that > is not constructive to the community and are the root of a lot of problems > here at SYNHAK. " > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Michael Griesacker < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Wait, what did Justin do? All I've seen from him is a willingness to help >> and a voice of reason. Is this about the storage racks again? Or was there >> something else? >> On Apr 30, 2014 6:52 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> "A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination >>> as if >>> >>> my genitals define who I am." >>> >>> I find the above comment repulsive. I know of no one that is defining you >>> by your genitals except for you constantly bringing it up. >>> >>> >>> -Steve >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:09:09 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 16:40:36 Omar Rassi wrote: >>> > That email was meant to be sent to members@ as was requested. By those who >>> > were present. I asked the room if there was issues with it. No one said >>> >>> >>> > anything, it was even suggested to me by another member (not Chris or >>> > Torrie) that I add the preface I wrote at the beginning of it. This >>> > confused me because we are always talking about how we don't want the >>> > dirty >>> >>> >>> > laundry out in the open but when steps are taken to handle particular >>> > issues without escalation to the public, the champions get intentionally >>> > ignored and its viewed as as a backdoor gang up on someone else that >>> >>> >>> > suddenly needs transparency. It isn't mine or the champions or Torrie's >>> > fault if people don't listen to each other. I've been trying rather >>> > unsuccessfully to help people see issues differently and to encourage >>> >>> >>> > discussion between individuals. The biggest issue i'm seeing is that >>> > people >>> > just aren't listening each other, just simply waiting for their turn to >>> > speak. These issues won't go away no matter who comes, goes, or gets >>> >>> >>> > removed so long as we aren't willing to hear each other and process what >>> > is >>> > said. This is evidenced by people criticizing lengthy emails, criticizing >>> > people who take more time to complete their thoughts in a sentence, >>> >>> >>> > ignoring solutions that don't involve punishing people or pointing fingers >>> > and outright dismissal of ideas because they don't like the individual >>> > presenting it or the premise without presenting a solution of their own >>> >>> >>> > going forward. I honestly wanted to make another push along with Andrew L, >>> > its still a draft email I'm polishing. But I challenge each of you to look >>> > at yourselves in the mirror today and ask yourselves, "what makes me >>> >>> >>> > happy?" And "what could I have done differently for a more excellent >>> > outcome?" Don't think about what other people can do differently, remember >>> > that you can only control what you do as an individual, so start there. >>> >>> >>> >>> What makes me happy? >>> >>> A safe space that I feel comfortable visiting. >>> >>> A place where I don't feel like I'm going to get my head bitten off for >>> asking >>> where to put the vacuum former. >>> >>> >>> A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if >>> >>> my genitals define who I am. >>> >>> A group of people who can judge people based on the value of their >>> contributions and not the quantity of them or their personal perception of >>> the >>> balance of power. >>> >>> A mailing list where I can write complete thoughts and not be told that I'm >>> >>> >>> trying to cause drama or that my mails are too long to consider reading, or >>> maybe actually get the issue at hand addressed. >>> >>> >>> What could I have done differently for a more excellent outcome? >>> >>> Encouraged campaigning among the officer and board candidates to figure out >>> >>> >>> what they /really/ want. >>> >>> Ignored any semblance of transparency, since I got the same result in the >>> end. >>> >>> Never sponsored Justin. >>> >>> Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace. >>> >>> > >>> > On Apr 30, 2014 3:51 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> > > I feel that I have to reply to this as I was specifically named. >>> > > >>> > > One I have to say that if you were truly on hiatus then you would have >>> > > delegated your duties to someone else as you would have no dealings with >>> >>> >>> > > SYNHAK during the hiatus. I find it quite childish that you would act >>> > > this >>> > > way when no one has officially proposed that you be removed from SYNHAK >>> > > but >>> > > just from your office as treasurer. Seeing as it is quite obvious that >>> > > you >>> >>> >>> > > have not been performing your duties and specifically targeting those >>> > > you >>> > > have a rocky relationship with from receiving reimbursement for expenses >>> > > they've taken on in order to improve SYNHAK because it takes too long to >>> >>> >>> > > obtain the funds upfront through the treasurer. That in and of itself is >>> > > grounds from being removed from the position. There are people who would >>> > > like to apply for membership but feel that you, Torrie, would personally >>> >>> >>> > > target and block their application based on personal reasons that have >>> > > no >>> > > affect on whether they should be a member or not. >>> > > >>> > > Also going out and calling Andy B. a mental midget is quite unexcellent >>> >>> >>> > > and something SYNHAK should not tolerate. I also find it unexcellent >>> > > that >>> > > that email was made public as it was sent under the assumption that it >>> > > was >>> > > to remain private. >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > Next comes your specifically naming me, which I find quite ridiculous. >>> > > Not >>> > > only were you unaware of my personal beliefs for 7/8 months, we have had >>> > > meals together, hung out outside of SYNHAK, and have helped me and Matt >>> >>> >>> > > out >>> > > at OSC for which we are very thankful for. I find it quite sad that you >>> > > can't get over the fact that some people have different life >>> > > experiences, >>> > > beliefs, values, thoughts, etc than you do and treat them with respect, >>> > > as >>> >>> >>> > > I have treated you. Not once has anyone at SYNHAK, to my knowledge, >>> > > treated >>> > > you differently or horribly based on the fact that you are >>> > > transgendering, >>> > > and neither have I. Bring up a what I admit was horribly worded as >>> >>> >>> > > evidence >>> > > as such is pathetic. >>> > > >>> > > Also in response to the proposal that I posted and was passed by the >>> > > membership, you removed your block of it saying that you wanted to see >>> > > how >>> >>> >>> > > it would work, under the condition that I would keep track of proposals >>> > > for >>> > > a few months to monitor the procedures. If you had such serious issues >>> > > with >>> > > it, to the point where you go on slack and say that you are just going >>> > > to >>> >>> >>> > > completely ignore them and do-ocracy everything until it becomes a >>> > > problem >>> > > is something that I have serious issue with. Instead of trying to >>> > > understand how they work, ask me or others questions of issues with the >>> >>> >>> > > new >>> > > procedure you just completely ignore them. Very unexcellent. >>> > > >>> > > Seeing as this has not been an issue, and is only an issue because you >>> > > continue to make it so I don't see any valid reason to feel unsafe as >>> >>> >>> > > again >>> > > no one has threatened or treated you differently, and doing so would be >>> > > unexcellent as well. >>> > > >>> > > Should you notify those outside of the issues we've had I think that it >>> >>> >>> > > would be very unfair to the whole situation as you would be showing only >>> > > one side, not to mention they could access the website and get any >>> > > details >>> > > they would need regarding it, and come to a meeting and ask the >>> > > membership >>> >>> >>> > > about it. Plus if you are really so tired of the issue then PLEASE stop >>> > > bringing up the past, it has been settled and should no longer be an >>> > > issue. >>> > > Seeing as in the past we've had drugs left on a ledge in an open truck >>> >>> >>> > > dock >>> > > available for anyone passing by to see is a serious issue that should be >>> > > addressed and failing to do so does not help SYNHAK as a community. I >>> > > feel >>> > > that a drug policy would be a plus and have a feeling other >>> > > organizations >>> >>> >>> > > would not see it as a negative either. >>> > > >>> > > Personally, with the way you've responded in the past and to this I >>> > > would >>> > > want you removed from the community completely, but would prefer to at >>> >>> >>> > > least wait until the board meeting Monday so that you may have a chance >>> > > to >>> > > speak and hopefully have these issues resolved so it wouldn't come to >>> > > that. >>> > > I do not know who you talk to, but last night I talked to at least half >>> > > of >>> >>> >>> > > the membership and the name that kept popping up as causing an issue at >>> > > SYNHAK is not mine, nor is it Andy, it is you, Torrie. You are either >>> > > delusional, or just fail to accept the obvious that you have been acting >>> >>> >>> > > in >>> > > a manner that is not constructive to the community and are the root of a >>> > > lot of problems here at SYNHAK. I agree that we can fix it and we are >>> > > trying to, I just feel that the solution is one that you are not going >>> > > to >>> >>> >>> > > like, especially if you feel the need to keep calling people out and >>> > > personally attacking them. >>> > > >>> > > I am quite sad that it has come to this, as I considered you a friend >>> > > but >>> >>> >>> > > I can not any longer. I can certainly get a long with you at the space, >>> > > and >>> > > act civilly but I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for you and >>> > > see >>> > > no way of that changing unless you change your attitude. >>> >>> >>> > > >>> > > -Steve >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > From: [email protected] >>> > > To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:29:22 -0400 >>> > > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus >>> > > >>> > > On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 13:35:52 a l wrote: >>> > > > I was only at a portion of the meeting and it was civil and productive >>> >>> >>> > > > while I was there, but I'm curious as to what drama you think you have >>> > > > caused? >>> > > >>> > > And *that* is the response to me explaining why SYNHAK has a toxic >>> > > environment that pushes people away? >>> >>> >>> > > >>> > > Not calling out people for being offensive? >>> > > >>> > > No suggestion that maybe the reasons I'm upset have validity and should >>> > > be >>> > > discussed? >>> > > >>> > > No desire to figure out who is telling Andy B that my "behavior" is due >>> > > to >>> >>> >>> > > biochemical processes found in every female on the planet? >>> > > >>> > > Your concern is about whether or not I think I'm a source of drama? >>> > > >>> > > Right, ok. >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > RIP SYNHAK. Killed by bystander apathy. >>> > > >>> > > > Regards, >>> > > > Andrew L >>> > > > >>> > > > On Apr 30, 2014 12:49 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > Hey, SYNHAK. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Its only been 8 days but I see that even when I'm not around I >>> > > > > somehow >>> > > > > cause >>> > > > > drama. I think Einstein called that "Spooky Action at a Distance". >>> >>> >>> > > > > SYNHAK >>> > > > > and >>> > > > > I are forever entangled at the quantum level. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > My inbox is full of people asking for details about why I went on >>> >>> >>> > > > > hiatus. >>> > > > > I'm >>> > > > > also aware of a board vote to remove me from my office of Treasurer, >>> > > > > so I >>> > > > > figure that I might as well join the fun and burn some bridges >>> > > > > while I >>> >>> >>> > > > > go >>> > > > > down >>> > > > > in beautiful crimson flames. An ex-synhakker (we've got those now!) >>> > > > > told >>> > > > > me >>> > > > > that SYNHAK seems to have a pattern of taking Treasurers and >>> > > > > stomping >>> >>> >>> > > > > the >>> > > > > ever-living crap out of them, so I'm obligated to take this >>> > > > > personally. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I'd like to start with this wonderful snippet that was sent to >>> >>> >>> > > > > [email protected], which caused me to ragequit: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ----8<---- >>> > > > > Andrew Buczko <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> > > > > Mar 11 >>> > > > > to me >>> > > > > I'd like to resolve this issue by having Torie (Trevor Fisher) put >>> > > > > on >>> > > > > suspension from SynHak (this will include SynHak's mailing lists and >>> >>> >>> > > > > any >>> > > > > other service) for a giving amount of time. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I feel that she needs time to cool off for 3 months, 6 months a >>> > > > > year? >>> > > > > I'll >>> >>> >>> > > > > leave the time period up to the champions. Or at least until her sex >>> > > > > change >>> > > > > is done (since it has been brought up to me that this "behavior" of >>> >>> >>> > > > > her's >>> > > > > is due to her taking hormones. ) <-- not mentioned before since it's >>> > > > > none >>> > > > > of my business. >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > Hormones or not, the other members and the community should not have >>> > > > > to >>> > > > > suffer because of her antics. >>> > > > > Andy >>> > > > > ---->8---- >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Remember, folks: you voted this mental midget of a person onto the >>> > > > > board >>> > > > > >>> > > > > :) >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Lets not forget this other gem from a previous discussion with Steve >>> >>> >>> > > > > Radonich >>> > > > > concerning my efforts to make SYNHAK a Safe Space: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ----8<---- >>> > > > > Even if someone was a raging transphobe how would we know? I don't >>> >>> >>> > > > > think >>> > > > > it >>> > > > > really has any bearing on whether they're going to be a member or >>> > > > > not >>> > > > > as >>> > > > > long >>> > > > > as they can keep civil and not let their personal feelings or >>> > > > > beliefs >>> >>> >>> > > > > keep >>> > > > > them from getting a long with, at the very least putting up with >>> > > > > someone >>> > > > > who >>> > > > > might be transexual. I highly doubt anyone at SYNHAK would think >>> > > > > that >>> >>> >>> > > > > is >>> > > > > funny >>> > > > > and find it offensive that you would even think that. >>> > > > > ---->8---- >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Remember, folks: I'm someone who should be put up with! You all >>> >>> >>> > > > > decided to >>> > > > > go >>> > > > > along with his plan to introduce more rules and bureaucracy to stop >>> > > > > someone >>> > > > > from forcing the community to address a situation where they feel >>> >>> >>> > > > > completely >>> > > > > unsafe! >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I could also copy in some discussions I've had with folks around the >>> > > > > 'net >>> > > > > about the rack situation, but frankly I'm just tired of it and would >>> >>> >>> > > > > prefer to >>> > > > > notify the Akron Community Foundation, our insurance, the city's >>> > > > > economic >>> > > > > development team, Akron Public Library, and really any of the other >>> >>> >>> > > > > organizations in the area that come to me asking about getting >>> > > > > involved >>> > > > > with >>> > > > > details about the corruption in our board brought in by Justin and >>> >>> >>> > > > > Devin. >>> > > > > I'm >>> > > > > sure they would also all love to hear about how the board feels that >>> > > > > we've >>> > > > > got >>> > > > > enough of a drug problem to enact a drug policy. >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> > > > > When we started SYNHAK, we wanted to be better than noisebridge. >>> > > > > Judging >>> > > > > by >>> > > > > the reactions of others when I explain the situation, I think we've >>> >>> >>> > > > > succeeded >>> > > > > in being a better drama mill than noisebridge: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > <jontyw> London is measured in millinoisebridges >>> > > > > <evanmcc> that's totally rotten >>> >>> >>> > > > > <jontyw> Sounds like you're at at least several noisebridges >>> > > > > <evanmcc> "look, you've gotten dangerously close to me having to >>> > > > > enage >>> > > > > any >>> >>> >>> > > > > empathy and for that I am going to punish you forever" >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Congrats! I'm so proud of everyone. We are now (in)famous within the >>> > > > > hacker >>> >>> >>> > > > > communities. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Community, you've got the power to change this and fix things. >>> > > > > SYNHAK >>> > > > > doesn't >>> > > > > have to have this shit. It can really be a nice place where everyone >>> >>> >>> > > > > feels >>> > > > > safe and there aren't constant power struggles between those who >>> > > > > hate >>> > > > > rules >>> > > > > and those who wish to rule with an iron fist. I was hoping I could >>> >>> >>> > > > > step >>> > > > > away >>> > > > > for a month or two, take a well deserved vacation, and come back to >>> > > > > a >>> > > > > hackerspace that is not on fire. >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > Looks like I was totally wrong :) >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > > > [email protected] >>> >>> >>> > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list >>> >>> >>> > > [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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