Of course you ignore all points I have made in the email. I have no idea what your motivations are, but you obviously started this. I love how even you can't defend what you've said.
-Steve Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 11:31:51 -0400 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the SYNHAK Community I don't know how Steve or any of us can guess your motivation at times, not sure that is even a fair question, or relevant. Perhaps you would enlighten us on your motivation, but some of your behavior doesn't seem justifiable to me in any context. In this respect I will not block this proposal, however I would like to see how the rest of the members choose to deal with this, and feel that protecting/enabling abusive behavior is not really a solution that any of us should be comfortable with. I can't say I know how all of this started, as it seems that some actions are actually reactions to prior events, but we have to start making it better. I want a community that I can be proud of. regards, On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> wrote: Steve, if I started things as you suggest, whats my motivation? On Thursday, May 01, 2014 04:37:33 Steve Radonich IV wrote: > I understand that there is going to be a lot of resistance to such a > proposal, and in fact believe that the most likely outcome is having the > proposal rejected by the membership. However, I do hope that we can have a > productive conversation addressing an issue that we are having that is > typically left to be discussed about little groups. I do feel that Torrie > has been acting in a manner that is very detrimental to the community and > has caused SYNHAK to start to tear itself apart. > > I personally don't like my name being publicly tarnished by someone who's > accusations about me are unfounded. I have admitted that my wording was not > acceptable and , if I haven't already I certainly meant to, apologise to > Torrie for saying those unexcellent things. What I said though does not > deserve me being continually called a transphobe on the public discuss > list, especially after I have addressed this before I believe multiple > times. How anyone can defend her comments on the discuss list the last 24 > hours really baffles my mind. > > Not only have I tried to discuss some of these issues on the mailing list, I > have not once responded to anything Torrie has said in a nasty manner. > While in comparison Torrie goes into other threads in the public mail list > and trashes me there as well. On top of that after no one else on the > discuss list comes to my defence when I have been the civil one in this > whole affair, instead I get champions and others going to the defence of > Torrie. Then when I make a proposal to have her removed from the community, > because not many on the list were completely fine with her comments and sat > idle, multiple people express their intentions to block it, some without > any reasons as to why they're going to block it. People may not want to > admit it, but there are those in the group that will not criticise Torrie > no matter what she says or does, I guess because either they are very good > friends with her, or because she came up with the idea of SYNHAK. > > I honestly had a lot of respect for her in the past, as well as enjoyed > hanging out with her at and outside of SYNHAK. Up until the last 24 hours I > had hope that me and her could still remain friends, however she burned > that bridge as she intended to with her initial email under the "Hiatus > Hiatus" thread. > > Quote from her initial email: > "I'm also aware of a board vote to remove me from my office of > Treasurer, so I figure that I might as well join the fun and burn some > bridges while I go down in beautiful crimson flames." > > Can someone please explain to me why I am the unreasonable one because I > feel that someone who acts like that has no place in a community that is > supposed to be open to everyone? Is it because I feel that she has become > the center of such a big issue involving many members of SYNHAK? Ask > yourself the following: Has her response to many of the emails today been > in line with our Code of Conduct "Be excellent to each other"? > > I really want to have a discussion on this issue, and I thought the discuss > list was a place where we all are supposed to discuss things, so as not to > exclude anyone who can not make it to a Tuesday meeting. Instead when I put > time into a reply that really wants to get deep into the issue and truly > solve it most of my points or questions go unaddressed in responses. > > To sum this all up as simply as I can: The biggest problem I see is that > Torrie preaches how we should all be open minded to other view points and > ideas, at least giving them some serious thought, and I can totally agree > with that. However, open mindedness is not a one-way street but she seems > to think that it works that way. As soon as I expressed a view point that > was polar opposite of one of hers she started being aggressive towards me > and I find that unfortunate. This all could have been avoided if she > practiced what she preached. > > Hope to get some serious replies instead of the normal name calling and > complete dismissal. > > -Steve > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 02:13:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the > SYNHAK Community > On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 20:34:50 a l wrote: > > If anything we owe it to -any- of our members to set up the CWG and > > determine a course of action surrounding their continued involvement. > > > > I have a draft of the proposal for a CWG but I have been focusing on > > school > > lately. I will send it out tonight. Omar had also indicated that he has > > suggestions for the CWG. > > > > I did not mean to imply malicious editing. There was a time when we all > > got > > along , even had fun together, and I'm just naive enough to think there's > > a > > chance we can still return to that. > > Andrew, I've never stopped believing in that. > > > Regards, > > Andrew L > > > > On Apr 30, 2014 8:21 PM, "Robert Rybicki" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Torrie is one of Robert W favorite people in the world. Jen or myself > > > will > > > be blocking this by proxy. > > > > > > Torrie is beyond talented in so many ways and is a huge benefit to the > > > community. Granted she is currently using her talents to insult and > > > flame > > > others on the mailing list, her unexcellent behavior is a response to > > > insults and threatening behavior. You people need to work it out because > > > forcing each other out of the community or out of offices is not cutting > > > it. That goes for Torrie as well. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Chris Egeland <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Chiming in that I will block this proposal. That is all. > > > > > > Chris Egeland > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2014, at 19:50, Steve Radonich IV <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm sorry but we do not have time to set up a CWG with all of the > > > procedures and such they are supposed to follow while this type of > > > treatment is going on. These are all publicly available on the email > > > list > > > and the quotes are in no way altered. I really am failing to see your > > > logic > > > in defending Torrie's actions today on the discuss list when she has > > > been > > > nothing but vile towards others. > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:45:41 -0400 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the SYNHAK > > > Community > > > > > > I'm not sure we have enough facts to back up the claims made in some of > > > these quotes. > > > Until such time that we get the community working group involved and > > > have > > > all the facts rather than partial quotes and hurt feelings I cannot > > > support > > > this proposal. > > > Regards, > > > Andrew L > > > On Apr 30, 2014 7:26 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Proposal: Removal Torrie from the SYNHAK Community > > > > > > I am proposing the following: > > > > > > The removal of Torrie Fischer from the SYNHAK community for the > > > following > > > reasons. > > > > > > * Negatively talking about SYNHAK affecting the public opinion of the > > > > > > community on the mailing lists, examples being: > > > * "Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace." - Wed, April 30 > > > 2014 > > > > > > 17:09 > > > > > > * "Then I hear that I'm being removed as Treasurer due to Devin and > > > > > > Andy's persecution complex, so I started looking for housing in the > > > > > > San Francisco because SYNHAK is dead to me." - Wed, April 30 2014 > > > 15:59 > > > > > > * "It died months ago when I was convinced to rescind my proposal to > > > > > > remove Justin from the board." - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 > > > > > > * "Congrats! I'm so proud of everyone. We are now (in)famous within > > > > > > the hacker communities." - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 > > > > > > * "RIP SYNHAK. Killed by bystander apathy." - Wed, April 30 2014 > > > 14:29 > > > > > > * Publicly attacking Steve Radonich IV and Andy B. on the mailing list > > > by > > > > > > unjustly calling them names, examples being: > > > * "Remember, folks: you voted this mental midget of a person onto > > > the > > > > > > board :)" - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Andy > > > > > > * "Remember, folks: I'm someone who should be put up with! You all > > > > > > decided to go along with his plan to introduce more rules and > > > bureaucracy > > > to stop someone from forcing the community to address a situation > > > where > > > they feel completely unsafe!" - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed > > > towards > > > Steve > > > > > > * "A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual > > > > > > fascination as if my genitals define who I am." - Wed, April 30 2014 > > > 17:09 > > > - Directed towards Steve > > > > > > * "Steve loves rules and has an authoritarian stance on everything. > > > > > > Thats the only reasonable answer that can explain this majestic piece of > > > legalese:" - Wed, April 30 2014 16:12 - Directed towards Steve > > > > > > * Using her position of Treasurer to target those she has a > > > > > > disagreement with: > > > * "Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and Andy have > > > > > > been told no on reimbursements and just only us. Given reciepts to > > > others > > > to get the money. Someone took something the wrong way, and they are > > > attacking back using the position as treasurer. But this needs to stop > > > right now, because it is discriminatory." - Tue, April 29 2014 - Meeting > > > Minutes > > > > > > It is with these issues, and others that I may not even be aware of, > > > that > > > I feel Torrie Fischer is no longer someone SYNHAK can afford to have > > > around. Causing division and strife within the community, then refusing > > > to > > > take responsibility for it. She has shown that she can't be trusted in a > > > position of power within SYNHAK as she uses it as a weapon on her > > > personal > > > enemies. Personally attacking members, calling them transphobes when > > > there > > > is no evidence of such, talking negatively about SYNHAK, and saying that > > > SYNHAK is dead are all reasons for removal. 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