Philip - Your contest is a great idea. - You should of asked for volunteers not a vote.
Just write out how you want the contest to go and then submit it to synhak. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > Welcome, If you have given up i'de restart it as a less formal > competition: if you want to be considered YOU buy a ledger sheet and show > what it is you want. we'll all vote (not on a Tuesday) If you win, pay for > it. For obvious reason our troll to member ratio is that of (deleted). > It's a good idea, but the presentation was incorrect for the crowd you > were addressing. (don't give a Tuesday meeting an opportunity to build > something, the builders come other days and avoid Tuesdays like a wasp on > meth. > > Too many people think that Tuesday meetings is what we are, they were > supposta be where should we steer, and open to the public ONLY for > transparency. Next Wednesday I will be sitting on the stage doing > approximately nothing (*tbd) If non-members and interested parties want to > check out the space tell them to come check out me making paper airplanes > live for one night only. The Tuesday meeting should be something you want > to be at, not an idea that this will get me closer to the synhak's > in-crowd if i show up for it as I have seen since the garage. > > Philip: > I truly hope this continues, just don't bring it up on Tuesdays. This is > something for the otherside of synhak (the side torrie, & omar gave up on > squinting to see the dim candlelight of, and what imo "is synhak") is ready > and willing to contribute to. The side that doesn't make it to the minutes > because nothing official will ever happen. > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Steve Radonich IV > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Philip, >> >> I don't think there was a lack of enthusiasm for the contest. A lot of >> members, myself included, were reluctant to commit SynHak to the contest >> without the details of it finalized for a review. >> >> -Steve >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> From: "Philip P. Patnode" <[email protected]> >> Sent: May 21, 2014 8:39 PM >> To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [SH-Discuss] garage door design contest >> >> TWIMC at SH >> >> Short version = The contest has been cancelled. >> >> Long version = >> >> Because I was feeling like I did not have sufficient support and >> enthusiasm from the members of SYN/HAK for the garage door design contest I >> created, I brought up the subject at last night's weekly meeting. >> >> Since the contest requires considerable time to create the individual >> entries and marketing materials, plus requires an initial outlay of >> personal funds, I wanted to get a quick Yes or No vote from the 14 SH >> members present at the meeting. If a majority of members voted to continue >> working on the contest or abandon the contest immediately, I would have >> been able to end the discussion during the meeting within two minutes. A >> positive outcome would have prompted further discussion after the meeting >> or, online, through email. >> >> Unfortunately, the simple request for a quick vote turned to the usual >> chaos we have all seen at the weekly meetings over the past few months when >> new subjects and issues are presented. What should have been a two minute >> exercise in group democracy rapidly descended into the all-too-common >> middle-school playground fight, with petty bickering, silly suggestions, >> frivolous warnings against undesirable images, and outright stupid >> comments. There were a few good ideas about improving the contest, but it >> was hard to concentrate with all the noise. >> >> Just because the contest winner would get 1/3 of the entry fees >> collected is not a valid reason the make the entry fee evenly divisible by >> 3. As the contest originator, why should I have to appeal to the >> math-challenged contestant? Anybody who progressed past 6th grade should >> not have a problem with a decimal or fractional reminder after performing a >> numerical division. >> >> Several members brought up the apparently real possibility of lurking >> artistic trolls who are just waiting for an opportunity to mess with a >> contest and produce results in line with their anti-social agenda. I am >> still waiting for the video or still photos of the anonymous trolls. >> >> I even had to defend the use of paint and/or decals as a safe medium >> that would not interfere with the functionality of the garage door. I >> wonder about such an imagination that ponders a winning design that might >> require 35 coats of paint, weighing over 100 lbs. Or, maybe they thought >> the use of a decal would somehow prevent the door from bending at the >> hinges? >> >> After careful consideration and a willingness to accept a minor >> financial loss, I have decided to end the contest before it ever got >> started. >> >> The $55 collected from five people, from a total of eleven entries >> purchased even before the final details were worked out, will be returned >> to them in full. >> >> The $30 gift certificate for the contest winner that was made available >> by Urban Eats Cafe and Patnode Photography will be converted to cash and >> distributed back to the sponsors. >> >> The conversation about contest co-sponsorship with another downtown >> business will be terminated. >> >> From a personal standpoint, I am withdrawing from any involvement in >> the repair or repainting of the SH garage door. It is not my project and I >> will not spend any time, money, or energy on it. Someone else can take it >> on as a project, if they are so inclined. I also don't want to be >> involved in any project concerning the exterior of the building, such as >> signage, mailbox location, installing a RFID door entry system, use of a >> garage door opener, CFLs for lighting, etc. Don't ask me for my opinion >> about what the garage door should look like or what kind of signage should >> be on the building or where to install the mailbox. I really don't care >> about any of the possibilities. >> >> This incident has definitely had an adverse effect on my morale and >> attitude about SYN/HAK and some of the members. I will be way more >> cautious in the future before I try to do something positive for the >> organization. There is a limit to the artificial drama, negativity, and >> pettiness I am willing to tolerate. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Philip >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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