By the time it's an actual proposal 3 people have discussed the idea and thought it worth while to bring to the group. We should aim to have proposals be as simple as possible, but no simpler. In addition to meetings we have discuss@, slack, a message board (?), irc and other methods to discuss the finer points of an idea. As long as it's public there's no need to restrict discussion and debate to an hour on Tuesday. This will also help meetings go faster. If you want we can have a trial period where with a soft limit of discussion during the meeting to ten minutes before moving on. Like others have said we have some complex and controversial ideas that won't fit in that time period though.
All this business of "tabeling" and "motions" is new to me too Alex. IMO it's cumbersome. Regards, Andrew L On Jun 16, 2014 1:26 PM, "Justin Herman" <[email protected]> wrote: > The issue I see is that a meeting is not well moderated. When rebuttals > occur we need to keep the conversation on point and focused. I stand behind > the idea of rebuttals occurring and a response allowed by the sponsor of > the proposal. > > Party A proposed idea. > Party B ask a question > Party A gets to respond > Party C can ask a new question or ask for clarification > Party A can clarify. > > So often the moderator starts with who had their hands raised first. A > then B then C then D then E then A then C then A then F. (see the > difficulty?) We are all waiting our turn for our own point instead of > handling our points in order. > > > Presenting and idea in 10 mins is easy. Answering all questions and > debates in 10 mins is very hard. > > > Motions to <vote, table, close meeting, etc> are standard procedures that > any member can initialize and 2nd. We have used them in the past. They work > very well. > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM, alex kot <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Never heard about the "create a motion to vote or motion to table" until >> today. Either way they reason I brought this up, people dread the meetings >> due to the length of them. I have been to many Start Up pitches where you >> have only 5 mins to convey the whole concept of your company. I feel if >> you cannot present your topic of proposal within 10 minutes you should >> probably create a more clarified version of what you are trying to convey. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> IMO we don't need to set a time max. >>> >>> Under our current operation. When someone has felt the discussion has >>> gone long enough they can create a motion to vote or motion to table the >>> discussion. With a 2nd person 2nd the motion a vote occurs. The moderator's >>> job is to keep discussion on point and for those who want to speak the >>> opportunity to speak. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Michael Griesacker < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> PM: -I thought we did a way with "blocking" and consensus with your >>>> "straight voting" proposal? >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: alex kot <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:40 AM >>>> Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings >>>> To: SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought up. >>>> >>>> >>>> Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting >>>> it can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the >>>> proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that time is >>>> justified for the discussion. >>>> >>>> >>>> Other: >>>> >>>> Current proposals rules >>>> >>>> - Proposals are discussed for one meeting, and decided upon at the >>>> meeting that immediately follows. >>>> - Proposals may be brought up at any time, but must be discussed >>>> for at least one week before any decision is made. >>>> - During that week, discussion must happen during a regular weekly >>>> meeting. >>>> - Proposals are decided upon at the first meeting that immediately >>>> follows that one week discussion period. >>>> - You need to be at the deciding meeting to block consensus or >>>> otherwise contribute to the decision. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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