Thanks for the input Andrew. I am just trying to find an approach to speed up the meetings. Some of these proposals seems to drag on to long and I feel can be polished to a much shorter version using discuss@, slack...as you mentioned. I am all for a trial period, but I don't think that is what is consensus so far. Unless I get two people to second this, I am going to let this proposal die, so far the majority doesn't approve of this.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:24 PM, a l <leit...@gmail.com> wrote: > By the time it's an actual proposal 3 people have discussed the idea and > thought it worth while to bring to the group. > We should aim to have proposals be as simple as possible, but no simpler. > In addition to meetings we have discuss@, slack, a message board (?), irc > and other methods to discuss the finer points of an idea. As long as it's > public there's no need to restrict discussion and debate to an hour on > Tuesday. This will also help meetings go faster. > If you want we can have a trial period where with a soft limit of > discussion during the meeting to ten minutes before moving on. Like others > have said we have some complex and controversial ideas that won't fit in > that time period though. > > All this business of "tabeling" and "motions" is new to me too Alex. IMO > it's cumbersome. > > Regards, > Andrew L > On Jun 16, 2014 1:26 PM, "Justin Herman" <just...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The issue I see is that a meeting is not well moderated. When rebuttals >> occur we need to keep the conversation on point and focused. I stand behind >> the idea of rebuttals occurring and a response allowed by the sponsor of >> the proposal. >> >> Party A proposed idea. >> Party B ask a question >> Party A gets to respond >> Party C can ask a new question or ask for clarification >> Party A can clarify. >> >> So often the moderator starts with who had their hands raised first. A >> then B then C then D then E then A then C then A then F. (see the >> difficulty?) We are all waiting our turn for our own point instead of >> handling our points in order. >> >> >> Presenting and idea in 10 mins is easy. Answering all questions and >> debates in 10 mins is very hard. >> >> >> Motions to <vote, table, close meeting, etc> are standard procedures that >> any member can initialize and 2nd. We have used them in the past. They work >> very well. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM, alex kot <ak47...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Never heard about the "create a motion to vote or motion to table" >>> until today. Either way they reason I brought this up, people dread the >>> meetings due to the length of them. I have been to many Start Up pitches >>> where you have only 5 mins to convey the whole concept of your company. I >>> feel if you cannot present your topic of proposal within 10 minutes you >>> should probably create a more clarified version of what you are trying to >>> convey. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Justin Herman <just...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> IMO we don't need to set a time max. >>>> >>>> Under our current operation. When someone has felt the discussion has >>>> gone long enough they can create a motion to vote or motion to table the >>>> discussion. With a 2nd person 2nd the motion a vote occurs. The moderator's >>>> job is to keep discussion on point and for those who want to speak the >>>> opportunity to speak. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Michael Griesacker < >>>> mgriesac...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> PM: -I thought we did a way with "blocking" and consensus with your >>>>> "straight voting" proposal? >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: alex kot <ak47...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:40 AM >>>>> Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings >>>>> To: SYN/HAK discussion list <discuss@synhak.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought >>>>> up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting >>>>> it can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the >>>>> proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that time is >>>>> justified for the discussion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Other: >>>>> >>>>> Current proposals rules >>>>> >>>>> - Proposals are discussed for one meeting, and decided upon at the >>>>> meeting that immediately follows. >>>>> - Proposals may be brought up at any time, but must be discussed >>>>> for at least one week before any decision is made. >>>>> - During that week, discussion must happen during a regular weekly >>>>> meeting. >>>>> - Proposals are decided upon at the first meeting that immediately >>>>> follows that one week discussion period. >>>>> - You need to be at the deciding meeting to block consensus or >>>>> otherwise contribute to the decision. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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