although asking for donations at a time when we could easily be mistaken
for begging for change for 'just one more month' would be hard to justify
to any company, I'm thankful for your effort (and ordered a crap-o-matic
meter that will be here in 2-3 weeks).


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Craig Bergdorf <mm1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> also, did your letter have a link to the beacon article?
> also, DMMs with a bar graph somewhere on them are a feature I think
> incredibly useful, most flukes, and the better of the (random assembly of
> letters)Co. meters from foreign-ebay have.  For the price of an out of
> calibration fluke is a new, full featured, pre-out of calibration meter
> with usb logging :)
>
> also +1 on craftsman meters being better than you would think.  Do we have
> a tax exempt account with sears setup?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 5:40 PM, William Schaffer <wschaff...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Update: I received this in response to a donation letter from a VP of
>> Jameco Electronics. No one who's a member of Synhak has a connection to
>> Jameco do they?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the note William. We have two modes of thinking: Marketing and
>> Charity. We’ve tested this from a marketing standpoint on a few occasions
>> and quite frankly it doesn’t work. We’ve sponsored Maker groups and closely
>> watched what happens but it’s a net loss.  So donations and charity is the
>> next mode and we do a lot of that but as a small company we’re forced to
>> prioritize our charitable giving and we’ve opted to donate to organizations
>> with a direct connection to our employees. For obvious reasons that makes
>> sense for the organization and we have so much demand for this program that
>> we are unlikely to change that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish you the best of luck and hope you’ll keep in touch.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ============================
>>
>> Greg Harris
>>
>> Vice President, Sales & Marketing
>>
>> Jameco Electronics
>>
>> 650-802-1581
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:14 PM, a l <leit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand the draw of saving money. However I don't see the cheaper
>>> DMMs solving the problem proposed here though. What is lacking is precision
>>> equipment to test digital circuits. One of the benefits of the community is
>>> pooled resources. Anybody can afford a cheap DMM for battery testing or
>>> continuity checking. Not everyone can justify the expense of a $60 DMM or a
>>> $100 inductor tester.
>>>
>>> I'm sure we have a simple analog volt meter/continuity tester in one of
>>> the travel boxes. We used it at mini-makerfair last year. I'm pretty sure
>>> we already have a cheap DMM floating around somewhere. If the one I recall
>>> was on short term loan for build out I'd be happy to donate one.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Andrew L
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:43 PM, William Schaffer <wschaff...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd love to see Synhak get a bench DMM.. But generally unless you buy a
>>>> really old one, they cost way over what's currently in the proposal. Here's
>>>> what I think would be best:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluke-83V-Multimeter-/321430847786?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad6c5812a
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sencore-Z-Meter-Capacitor-Inductor-Analyzer-MODEL-LC53-LC-53-/321436632702?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad71dc67e
>>>>
>>>> The LC meter is especially important for any analog work (amplifiers,
>>>> radios, audio filters, analog mixers, etc).
>>>>
>>>> I hope that clears it up!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM, billgod <billgo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Bill (Canton Hacker and Maker Place) here,
>>>>>
>>>>> I own several multimeters, really nice expensive and super cheap crap
>>>>> ones..  If you are looking for a good combo you can't beat this one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Craftsman-34-82141-Digital-Multimeter-Functions/dp/B000X5TSUA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403110759&sr=8-1&keywords=volt+meter+craftsman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We have 2 here and they are pretty durable and have most functions you
>>>>> need for basic stuff and it's under $20.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my $.02
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/18/2014 12:01 PM, Justin Herman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason I like having cheaper DMM and a nicer one too is that many
>>>>> times I don't need RMS or exact numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I might want to know if a circuit has continuity or know ~how much
>>>>> voltage a battery has.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Using a nice DMM for some work means that it might become dirty or
>>>>> corroded. Then when needed to be used for EE work you have problems. (and
>>>>> nobody got time for that)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Craig Bergdorf <mm1...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for contacting them :)
>>>>>> If it comes down to buying, I've been a fan of used good over new
>>>>>> junk.  An rms meter can be had for ~$50 if you don't mind it being 20 
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> old.  Bench meters are a lot harder to forget to put back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Also, did you see this from earlier this year?
>>>>>> https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1430
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks again for taking the initiative and we do have letterhead
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Justin Herman <just...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These would be a great items to have. I would suggest getting a few
>>>>>>> lowercost ($15-20) meters for non precision work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  BUT I cant support spending $ on anything until SynHak has
>>>>>>> approved a budget.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:44 PM, William Schaffer <
>>>>>>> wschaff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Problem: In the EE lab, we have a lot of resources to build
>>>>>>>> things, but almost nothing to test the projects with. The only useful 
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> is the oscilloscope. Picture this: You want to tell if there is a 
>>>>>>>> break in
>>>>>>>> a cable, but don't have any way to hook it up. If you had a continuity
>>>>>>>> meter (a feature found in most multimeters) you'd be able to tell in 
>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>> few seconds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Solution: Synhak should allocate $150.00 of funds for the
>>>>>>>> purchase of a CAT III rated autoranging digital multimeter capable of
>>>>>>>> measuring voltage, current, resistance, and continuity, and an
>>>>>>>> inductance/capacitance meter to measure inductors and capacitance. This
>>>>>>>> way, we will have adequate test equipment to make in the EE lab. I 
>>>>>>>> think it
>>>>>>>> would be best to look on ebay first before considering other sources.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I have contacted Adafruit, Mouser, Digikey, and Sparkfun asking
>>>>>>>> for a donation, and am waiting for a response. Perhaps it would be 
>>>>>>>> helpful
>>>>>>>> if I had official letterhead?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I'm looking forward to hearing thoughts on this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Thanks!
>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>> Very Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  William G. Schaffer
>>>>>>>> 330-752-3328
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